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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#41 Sean Whitmore

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Sep 6 2011, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Two years in a row?! I really hope not (I do like Pasadena, but I don't think I could convince my girlfriend to go there a 3rd time in 4 years).


Heh, I'd be of two minds if it were Pasadena again. The part of me that wants a vacation versus the part that would save hundreds on plane tickets and a hotel.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 10:42 AM

Last night I dreamt that Botcon 2012 is going to be held in Cleveland, OH. I was very excited about being able to drive there again.
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 12:35 PM

I fully support that idea. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 09:22 AM

I've flown from NJ to Pasadena twice already, so range isn't a factor. Just make it easy to get to, with interesting things within walking distance.

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 01:44 PM

I'd love it to be in Florida around August. Dream vacation for me. Star Wars Celebration ... AND Botcon. I could die a happy jawa. But that dream aside. Boston would be a nifty local. (And for the record that's about a 8 hour bus ride for me, so no it ain't next door)
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 05:46 PM

The Pacific Northwest has never gotten any love, so how about it? Great booze and food, lots of things to do, friendly cities? Seattle would probably get more walk-ins then Portland, though Portland is a vey geek-friendly city. I could be wrong though, anyone know the PAX Prime attendance figures?

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 12:22 AM

PAX has grown to about about 70,000+ as of this year. I can testify to it.

Going by past trends, Botcon'll be on the east coast this year.

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 02:10 AM

The convention being in Pasadena also makes it much cheaper and easier to bring in the voice actors, which is apparently a draw.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 08:31 AM

QUOTE(Bleargh001 @ Sep 11 2011, 03:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The convention being in Pasadena also makes it much cheaper and easier to bring in the voice actors, which is apparently a draw.


Eh, voice actors aren't a draw for me. I mean they're cool but they in no way determine my wanting to go one way or another. The draw is Botcon itself, and would remain without s single VA.

Location however completely does, and west coast is terrible for that. It's simply too far.


-ZacWilliam, that's why it's best to move it around, so folks all over get a decent shot at going.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 12:44 PM

Last night, I dreamt that Botcon 2012's location was announced as "Pachyceph," Wyoming.

A lot of fans were cheering about it.
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 01:03 PM

Well, that'd be a boneheaded move.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 03:23 PM

Wow....

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 02:19 PM

QUOTE(Suspsy @ Sep 13 2011, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Last night, I dreamt that Botcon 2012's location was announced as "Pachyceph," Wyoming.

A lot of fans were cheering about it.

I wonder how many fans would end up not going, simply because they could neither spell nor pronounce Pachyceph and were therefore incapable of making travel arrangements.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 03:00 PM

Is Vegas off the table? Always seems like there's cheap airfare to Vegas.
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Posted 14 September 2011 - 08:10 PM

The rumor I keep hearing go round and round is Chicago in 2012. May be hot air, but some of these rumors have credible origins....


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Posted 15 September 2011 - 10:44 AM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Sep 14 2011, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is Vegas off the table? Always seems like there's cheap airfare to Vegas.

Because there always is.

From what I understand, it's also supposed to be a very reasonable place to have a conference, cost-wise. The business model of the whole town is basically "get people here so they can lose their money to us by gambling," so everything else is generally very affordable.

I think the problem with Botcon there though would be that it's not exactly the most family-friendly place in the world. Also, the chances of getting a lot of walk-ins are going to be pretty low when there's not very many kids around, and for any adults there's a lot of other entertainment right nearby.

It'd be a great choice for fans, but probably less so for FunPub or Hasbro, IMO.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 09:19 PM

Going just by where traffic to this site comes from as a sampling.. most of our users seem to be in the northeast and east and southeast... with a chunk from Texas and a big chunk from California.

Much like it was 5-10 years ago.

Seems like Lexington, Cincinnati and Louisville are the most 'central' locations based on the sampling of Transformers fans from this site. I couldn't say what it might be overall but I don't see any reason why it would be all that different.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 12:46 PM

Actually I'd like it back in Lexington. I liked Kentucky.
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 09:26 PM

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Sep 15 2011, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Going just by where traffic to this site comes from as a sampling.. most of our users seem to be in the northeast and east and southeast... with a chunk from Texas and a big chunk from California.

Much like it was 5-10 years ago.

Seems like Lexington, Cincinnati and Louisville are the most 'central' locations based on the sampling of Transformers fans from this site. I couldn't say what it might be overall but I don't see any reason why it would be all that different.

Centrality notwithstanding, I think we discovered that the Cincinnati airport was among the most expensive in the nation when we were discussing it as a BotCon option a few years ago.

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 02:38 PM

That's why I say Louisville.. not just because I live here but because it's, has its own large airport, is cheap.. has more stuff to do than Lexington and is central.

The downtown convention center could easily accommodate Botcon and there's lots of hotels. As well as 4th Street Live which is a lot of bars and eateries within walking distance.




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