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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#1 Confuzor

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 02:52 PM

http://www.cynopsis....ns/kids/082411/

A great acquisition for the HUB network! I can't wait to DVR all the eps and watch them with my younger brothers who have barely seen any of it!

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 04:01 PM

That's cool. but Sadly, the Hub isn't available in HD on Dish, so It's not worth the extra $10 a month to get it.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 05:55 PM

The Hub seems to have quite a few good shows, both new and classic. The unavailability of it seems to be a common complaint I've seen around, though; it's a shame they can't focus on making themselves easier to subscribe to through various, more basic, services. Not everyone with children are wealthy enough to afford these luxury cable packages that The Hub seems mostly to come in.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:44 PM

This is awesome news. I'm almost through watching the entire series, which I haven't seen since it went off WB all those years ago.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:56 PM

Batman: The Animated Series, back when FOX Kids had god programming like this, the original Power Rangers, and Spider-Man.

Why does the HUB have to be a subscription channel where I am? Darn you, Discovery Channel!

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:00 PM

I wouldn't really include Power Rangers and Spider-Man under the category of "god programming".

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:06 PM

QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Aug 25 2011, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Hub seems to have quite a few good shows, both new and classic. The unavailability of it seems to be a common complaint I've seen around, though; it's a shame they can't focus on making themselves easier to subscribe to through various, more basic, services. Not everyone with children are wealthy enough to afford these luxury cable packages that The Hub seems mostly to come in.


New channels like Hub always tend to get the higher package deal becuase they aren't well known, and theoretically less people would want them. When the channel gets more widely known and popular, then it will be moved to better tiers becuase there is better demand for it. Stuff like Disney and Cartoon Network used to be in the same position as The Hub currently is.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:08 PM

QUOTE(Moon Captain @ Aug 25 2011, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wouldn't really include Power Rangers and Spider-Man under the category of "god programming".


Hey, I type fast, so mispelling happens.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:27 PM

Around here it's actually only available on the 3rd, top tier market. Along with 1001 sports channels. So if you order it, you're ordering it for the sports, and do you really think the adults are gona let the kids run the remote?

Not that big of a deal for me, I've already got all of DCAU on DVD.
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:29 PM

Is "1001 Sports Channels" just some kind of labelling/brand, or is it really sports channels 1000 in excess of what I'd want? Indeed, probably 1001 more than I'd want 97% of the time.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 07:46 PM

QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Aug 25 2011, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is "1001 Sports Channels" just some kind of labelling/brand, or is it really sports channels 1000 in excess of what I'd want? Indeed, probably 1001 more than I'd want 97% of the time.


Exaggeration, its more like 200-300 sports channels.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:20 PM

Seeing as how basic cable usually already comes with about 7 sports channels.....yes.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:29 PM

I'm only able to afford the cable package with the Hub on it because I split the cable bill with my two roommates. In about a year, when I move out on my own, I probably won't be able to afford cable period, much less the luxury packages.

So I'm enjoying all the robots, Joes and Ponies I can while it lasts.


As for Batman TAS: awesome. Now here's hoping the Hub doesn't edit it for content like Toon Disney did when they reran the show. I don't think the Hub's broadcast of Batman Beyond got any cuts, so I presume Batman TAS will make it through unscathed.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:29 PM

Ah, and I bet this time it won't have the edits here and there that TAS got on Disney XD. Yay Hub!

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 03:36 AM

QUOTE(spikeriley @ Aug 25 2011, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Moon Captain @ Aug 25 2011, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wouldn't really include Power Rangers and Spider-Man under the category of "god programming".


Hey, I type fast, so mispelling happens.

I wouldn't include both in "good programming", either.

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Posted 26 August 2011 - 08:10 AM

Haha, they kind of pulled a Dragonball/Toonami, showing the future series before the original.


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Posted 26 August 2011 - 05:23 PM

Eh, I have most of that series on DVD (only volumes 3-4 to find, as the hungarian company releasing them has gone bankrupt). It's my favourite cartoon ever, and I re-watch the episodes every few years. I can't see "Heart of Ice" enough times...

Still, if the Hub finally comes to Europe, I'd probably break my "no TV" rule and subscribe. If only for MLP-FiM. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 01:40 AM

Bought the TAS Box set awile back from Target for 70 no less and went down the toy isle that same day and found the TAS Batmobile

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 02:05 AM

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Bought the TAS Box set awile back from Target for 70 no less and went down the toy isle that same day and found the TAS Batmobile


Great find! That is perhaps my favourite Batmobile ever.
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Posted 28 August 2011 - 10:33 PM

All this talk makes me miss Freakazoid....don't ask me how, I just miss him.



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