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#21 mignash

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 03:42 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Aug 30 2011, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sweet packaging art. Wonder if they paid Nick Roche.


I doubt it. It is an unabashed KO, they stole all the designs and we know it. They are not even pretending it's their own work. I wonder if i has some sort of tech spec on the box or packed in.

Edited by mignash, 30 August 2011 - 03:43 PM.


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Posted 30 August 2011 - 05:02 PM

I knew there was no shame regarding the corporate level. I just wondered if there was any shame regarding the individual level.

Not, like, at the KO companies, no, of course.

But among portion of the fandom which eats this crap up.

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 05:20 PM

They can get something cheaper than they would if it was official. Plus, they don't care that the mold is stolen, why would they care the art is?

And 40 dollars for a knock off? The only way I'd buy ANY of these things is if they were under 10 dollars at a flea market...which hasn't happened yet.

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 05:37 PM

Well, right now it costs over $400 for one of these, so I can see the appeal of a $40 immitation, even if it's a $10 mold.

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 05:45 PM

Is the mold really stolen? Probably more like "borrowed" without permission.

I'll get this, but not because it's available cheaply, but because the real one has become so ridiculously expensive. If he was going for even slightly higher than average Botcon Deluxe prices, I'd have no problem splurging to have the official quality one. As it is, I'll settle for for a decline in some quality.


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Posted 31 August 2011 - 01:03 PM

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Is the mold really stolen? Probably more like "borrowed" without permission.


Wow.

Just. Wow.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 01:08 PM

Probably not stolen or borrowed, but copied the design (without permission). I doubt they stole the physical mold from Hasbro or Takara, they made a new one by using the parts a Hasbro or Takara toy to manufacturer a new mold. It probably doesn't even look the same, and has a different part layout on the sprues.

Edited by mignash, 31 August 2011 - 01:08 PM.


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Posted 31 August 2011 - 02:35 PM

I just think the charm of exclusives is owning the real thing. That's what's worth the money and what makes them unique. Owning a copy of an exclusive, as a good enough stand in of the real thing, doesn't appeal to me. I might as well buy a Cyclonus and Hot Rod set off ebay, therefore getting two figures for the price of one (or a single used hot rod for 7 dollars) and kitbash my own SG Rodimus. The custom would have as much value as a knock-off, fill a void in my collection and actually be more unique than the knock off, since its one of a kind.

I mean, either way its not the actual exclusive, so there's no value there.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 03:12 PM

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I just think the charm of exclusives is owning the real thing. That's what's worth the money and what makes them unique. Owning a copy of an exclusive, as a good enough stand in of the real thing, doesn't appeal to me. I might as well buy a Cyclonus and Hot Rod set off ebay, therefore getting two figures for the price of one (or a single used hot rod for 7 dollars) and kitbash my own SG Rodimus. The custom would have as much value as a knock-off, fill a void in my collection and actually be more unique than the knock off, since its one of a kind.

I mean, either way its not the actual exclusive, so there's no value there.


That's a completely legitimate position for you in working on your collection if you have the money.

Some people buy Armani handbags, some people buy immitaiton Armani handbags, and some people sew their own handbag.

Edited by mignash, 31 August 2011 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 31 August 2011 - 03:19 PM

Except the custom figure at least had $10 to $20 actually go to the company that owns the likeness and did the work to make the figure originally. A KO has none of that.

I should have bought an extra SG Rodimus when he and Megatron were selling for $120 to $150.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 03:45 PM

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Except the custom figure at least had $10 to $20 actually go to the company that owns the likeness and did the work to make the figure originally. A KO has none of that.

I should have bought an extra SG Rodimus when he and Megatron were selling for $120 to $150.

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I seem to recall that a church run video editing company tried once to sell DVDs that had been edited to be "kid friendly" by cutting out the "R" rated material for people who wanted to less offensive versions of movies to show the whole family. This of course would be illegal, so they tried bundeling the DVD with a "real" DVD of the same movie, so you were technically buying the "real" movie and the edit was a free extra they packed in, and you were paying for the copyright on the original film.

Do you think if some KO seller made a bundle with a real common deco of a figure, and a KO figure that was a more expensive deco that was "free", it would make the purchase more legitimate? For instance what if they bundeled the Universe Hot Rod and Cyclonus with a KO SG Rodimus and Cyclonus?

Also, what if they KO was missing some accessories, like say tires and missiles, screws, and other bits, so you had to take those from the "real" figure to complete them. That way technically it's just massive "upgrade" set, not a full figure?

Edited by mignash, 31 August 2011 - 03:49 PM.


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Posted 31 August 2011 - 03:46 PM

This really is unbelievable.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 04:29 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Aug 30 2011, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I knew there was no shame regarding the corporate level. I just wondered if there was any shame regarding the individual level.

Not, like, at the KO companies, no, of course.

But among portion of the fandom which eats this crap up.


Do you really think Nick Rocke would accept money from a KO company for using his art of Transformers characters on their KO boxes? If he did accept it, wouldn't that piss off Hasbro? Accepting their money might be taken as endorsing the KO toy.

Edited by mignash, 31 August 2011 - 04:30 PM.


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Posted 31 August 2011 - 06:19 PM

mignash I don't understand why you feel the need to defend the KO people as if they're the victim in this, but whatever.

I'm sure this KO will be popular with some.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 07:47 PM

Razorclaw is RLY MAD. And easy to troll, too.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 08:09 PM

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mignash I don't understand why you feel the need to defend the KO people as if they're the victim in this, but whatever.

I'm sure this KO will be popular with some.

Randy


I didn't defend anyone. I don't expect them to pay the artist of the art they pulled on google images and pasted on their box. I don't expect that that artist who made the image expect a check in the mail for it either. This however is the KO toy forum, where we talk about the KO toys.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 08:40 PM

Has anyone preordered yet? I'm wondering if they charge you for the preorder or for when it ships.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 12:19 PM

I despise the fact that these things exist, and I despise the fact that people support their production by buying them. Once they reach the secondary market, people are going to get swindled -- intentionally or not.
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Posted 02 September 2011 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE(Mouse_Pad @ Sep 2 2011, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I despise the fact that these things exist, and I despise the fact that people support their production by buying them. Once they reach the secondary market, people are going to get swindled -- intentionally or not.

Those are my thoughts as well, though lately I no longer get upset at seeing new ones - I guess I've grown dull to the pain.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 12:56 PM

And here I was customizing one of my spare Rodimi into this guy. Looks like I may be changing directions.



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