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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 Gizmoboy

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 11:16 AM

So, I am one of the many in the world that didn't watch Firefly back when it was on Fox. Well, after hearing so many good things about it, I DVR'd the entire series when The Science Channel had their July 4th marathon. Well my wife and I finally sat down on Saturday and watched the entire series. We were both so blown away by how good it was, we ran out that night (2am Sunday morning) and bought Serenity on BluRay and watched it on Sunday.

I am ashamed at myself for not watching this series before. I feel like I need to turn in my scifi fandom card for not supporting this show when it was on the air. The characters, the story lines, the effects... this show was absolutely amazing!! I seriously have a hurting inside knowing this show only got one season and a movie.

I guess where I'm wanting this thread to go is, now that Science Channel was able to secure the rights to play the series, do you think there's any chance of them bring the show back for another season? After a search on the web, the last talk I saw of another season was back in 2007 when people were trying to secure the rights away from FOX. So now, it's 2011, 9 years after the original series was produced. Is there still a market for this show or would it suffer the same fate it did on FOX?

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 11:23 AM

No, you are not alone. I didn't bother watching it while it was on, and didn't really like it till I sat down and watched it on DVD (in the proper order, mind.) with my brother.

As for direction: currently, nathan fillion is trying to raise funds to buy the property off fox and make webisodes.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 11:53 AM

I didn't watch until it had been on DVD a while. I did manage to catch Serenity in the theater, though.

Given that some of the principal actors and Joss Whedon all seem to be tied up in other projects right now, I think that would argue against anything very long. It's also true that it's been almost ten years: everybody's moved on to other projects and it's hard to say how open they would be to returning. (Haven't heard anybody say anything bad about the production, and Jewel Staite practically gushed about it in an interview I read a while back.)

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 11:57 AM

^he wasn't serious about that.

Despite the loud volume of fans, there just isn't a large volume of fans. There hasn't been enough of them (or enough of them willing) to support comics even when written by Whedon.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 12:43 PM

I only just recently watched the series, haven't caught serenity yet, but I'll get to it. Probably once I'm done with Black Adder.



Loved it, by the way.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 01:57 PM

It didn't help that the comics were only so-so, and some of them were only available at rather high price points. I mean, Shepherd's Tale was interesting and finally revealed Book's past, but IIRC it was a $25 rather slender hardcover volume. Pricing for the hardcore fan and no one else.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 02:30 PM

I think Serenity was a good end for the series. Everyone has gone on to other things. I almost wouldn't mind a Firefly: The Next Generation some time down the road, but for now, I'm happy with how things turned out.

There are some very vocal hardcore fans though that make me tune out of the fandom completely. I've been fairly disappointed with the comics and tie-in stuff to. So, I'm ok with it being over for now.

And I watched and loved the series when it was first-run, and was there for Serenity opening night.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 02:40 PM

This is usually where I plug Fireflyfans.net. We have an unproduced script from the show and are basically the clearinghouse of Joss-related news.

News like this tidbit from SDCC:
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But more interestingly - especially if "Firefly" happens to be your favorite Whedon project (as it clearly was to many people in the Indigo Ballroom) - when a fan asked if he'd be telling the backstory of more "Firefly" characters in comics, Whedon said that "We now have license to not only tell backstory but move forward with these characters, too. It would be interesting to know what happens next."


The other Firefly comics alluded to above were "Those Left Behind" (set between the series and movie), "Better Days" (set after the series), "Float Out" (set after the movie, but framing a flashback to before the series), and "The Shepherd's Tale" (a prequel revealing Book's backstory). There's also "The Other Side" (during or after the series) which was online-only.

From the sound of things, the rights FOX was squatting on have reverted to Joss, and they can now start filling in the post-Serenity timeframe (which they already kinda did with the last page of "Float Out").

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 08:51 PM

Thanks for the link Cybersnark. I'll be checking that place out right now.

As far as the movie being a fitting end of the series, I can see that point. I really need to read some of the comics and see what else is out there.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 08:59 PM

QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Jul 25 2011, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The other Firefly comics alluded to above were "Those Left Behind" (set between the series and movie), "Better Days" (set after the series), "Float Out" (set after the movie, but framing a flashback to before the series), and "The Shepherd's Tale" (a prequel revealing Book's backstory). There's also "The Other Side" (during or after the series) which was online-only.

From the sound of things, the rights FOX was squatting on have reverted to Joss, and they can now start filling in the post-Serenity timeframe (which they already kinda did with the last page of "Float Out").

HIGHLIGHT to view:
Zoe's pregnant


Crap! Looks like I missed "Shepard's Tale".

"Float Out" was pretty bad, really the only notable part was the last page. I thought "Better Days" was alright. It at least managed to capture some of the fun of the series.



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