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@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.


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#1 Gridlock

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 04:13 AM

In the middle:

http://www.comicscon...5/idwfirsts.htm



#2 Bass X0

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 05:29 AM

Seems like Bumblebee has become resentful of Hot Rod Rodimus.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 06:46 AM

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Suuuuuuure it will. icon-blitz.gif

#4 Echowarrior

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 06:53 AM

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jul 5 2011, 06:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seems like Bumblebee has become resentful of Hot Rod Rodimus.


Can you blame him? He gets picked by his fellows to be leader, he's had an absolutely horrible time on the job, and now a mech that had done nothing but cause trouble has come along with the Matrix and pretty much killed any chances of him maintaining the position. It'd be like a sitting US president going through an absolutely horrible first term, only for the guy he beat in the election to find the Holy Grail or the Ark of the Covenant or (to name a Christian artifact that hasn't been found by Indiana Jones) the Spear of Destiny.

Seriously, it sucks to be Bumblebee.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 06:53 AM

Man, Costa, just because you want narration doesn't mean you should sugar-coat it Bible-style.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 05 July 2011 - 07:01 AM

And lo did IDW release from their mighty pens a legend of epic epicness. All astonished were the readers, those lowly crawlers upon the dusty, fowl smelling Earth, for lo did the epic speak in tones of epic epicness, ever. Ever did it speak in ye old high pretentiousness like a badly written fantasy novel. And ever aft did they groan and wait for Roberts, the prophesized savior, to hopefully drop some better writting all up in this thing...


-ZacWilliam, the events aren't bad, per say, but ugh that naration grates. Just tell your story and if it's epic it will be epic. Writing the narration like that, badly, just... Ugh...

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 11:10 AM

So the story that changes Transformers forever is either a rehash of '86 film events with a new stand-in for Unicron, or a rehash of late season 3 where Rodimus gives the Matrix back and we arrive at status quo again. Right. Got it.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:07 PM

What I'd like is for IDW to realize that there's nothing they can do with the comic that would make it sell more more than it already does without making the stories crappier than they are at the moment. Seriously, how many soft reboot will it take for them to understand that and just put a good writer in charge?

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:22 PM

Nghh. The writing on that narration is horrible. It reads like a parody.

#10 Echowarrior

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:26 PM

QUOTE(TerraEsperZ @ Jul 5 2011, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What I'd like is for IDW to realize that there's nothing they can do with the comic that would make it sell more more than it already does without making the stories crappier than they are at the moment. Seriously, how many soft reboot will it take for them to understand that and just put a good writer in charge?



Well, James Roberts is doing co-writing for Chaos, and John Barber's apparently taking over from Costa at #125, so I guess...the number they've already had.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:32 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Jul 5 2011, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, Costa, just because you want narration doesn't mean you should sugar-coat it Bible-style.

Seriously, I felt like I was reading the Covenant of Primus. Not necessarily a bad thing to me, but COMPLETELY OUT OF NOWHERE!


Still loving Bee's not-so-new-anymore design, as well as Hot Rods/Rodimus, I would very much like toys of them.

I wonder what will happen now that Ironhide and Sunstreaker are back.

Edited by Fenix Twilight, 05 July 2011 - 02:38 PM.


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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:44 PM

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:47 PM

QUOTE(The Phazer @ Jul 5 2011, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nghh. The writing on that narration is horrible. It reads like a parody.


Yes it does. It doesn't capture what its attempting to do.


But at least its a change from what we're usually getting from the comics. It feels refreshing in that way. We've never had narration in the IDW comics telling us what characters are thinking or their motivations.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:47 PM

Bumblebee's kind of a dick in those first few pages.


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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:54 PM

QUOTE(Fenix Twilight @ Jul 5 2011, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Detour @ Jul 5 2011, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, Costa, just because you want narration doesn't mean you should sugar-coat it Bible-style.

Seriously, I felt like I was reading the Covenant of Primus. Not necessarily a bad thing to me, but COMPLETELY OUT OF NOWHERE!


Yeah, that is what I felt they are going for with this, probably penned by Alpha Trion if he's this universe's chronicler. It doesn't annoy me, least not yet, its something new and different and could be interesting since Roberts is helping write the Chaos stuff.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 03:00 PM

Blerg. So this isn't a good time to start reading transformers comics, then?

And who is the giant guy in the back of this panel, Silverbolt?

http://www.comicscon...sformers215.htm
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Jul 5 2011, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Blerg. So this isn't a good time to start reading transformers comics, then?

And who is the giant guy in the back of this panel, Silverbolt?

http://www.comicscon...sformers215.htm



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Posted 05 July 2011 - 03:07 PM

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jul 5 2011, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nanite @ Jul 5 2011, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Blerg. So this isn't a good time to start reading transformers comics, then?

And who is the giant guy in the back of this panel, Silverbolt?

http://www.comicscon...sformers215.htm



Broadside.

I love how Broadside and Jetfire have been drawn so many ways at this point within the same series that the same question comes up, followed by exactly the same answer, regarding an almost completely different character design.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Jul 5 2011, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Blerg. So this isn't a good time to start reading transformers comics, then?

And who is the giant guy in the back of this panel, Silverbolt?

http://www.comicscon...sformers215.htm


Not likely, this is Costa trying to tie up all his storylines before the next writer takes over.

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#20 NICK TYRANNO

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 03:09 PM

I'm...liking the epic narration. It makes it seem like its building to something that may actually matter.

Whether it does or not is obviously up in the air, but I'll take this over "ugh" and "raawwr" and splash pages.



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