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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#1 Agent X

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 11:05 PM

Seriously. I keep thumbing through the DW's MTMTE series, the Unoffical Cybertronian toy guide, the TFCC profiles and the Beast Wars books (YES, we ALL know about the problems those books had, that is NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT!) and I became sad as there are many years worth of series that didn't get a sweet set of refernce guides.

So yeah, I want profile books of late overseas G1/all of G2, flesh the Energon and Cybertron, make me care about the Masterforce and Victory guys, give Robots in Disguise some love and even throw in Beast Machines just to leave no stone unturned!

Just release these in a quarterly fashion for quality assurance, focus on the CHARACTER not the history, keep a short list of writers and artists away from this and hell, call the first issue "More than Meets Te Eye #12"! (The Aramda being #9-11. Though by that logic #12-15 would be Beast Wars).

Indulge my desires! I can't be the only one who wants this! (But pefectly understand that we can't/won't get these.)

Edited by Agent X, 02 July 2011 - 11:07 PM.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 12:10 AM

I would enjoy more of these myself. Especially about my favoritest continuity....


Robots in Disguise. Seems no one likes it but me.


Oh, and needless to say, I'm only interested in them being good. Not like...you know what...

Edited by Transfotaku, 03 July 2011 - 12:10 AM.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 12:19 AM

I would kill for a grand unified Movieverse bio book and timeline. Written by Barber, because he knows his friggen movieverse.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 12:34 AM

QUOTE(Transfotaku @ Jul 3 2011, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would enjoy more of these myself. Especially about my favoritest continuity....
Robots in Disguise. Seems no one likes it but me.


you didn't notice the complete series of character profiles developed by many individuals from this very website?
Check it out...
http://www.allspark....20/COMPLETE.pdf
edit: I do not know where several of the profiles have gone, it was complete at one point, and had actual navigation before...

Honestly I think profile books create more continuity conflicts than they manage to effectively definition to characters who don't have any. And while I love character, I think it's more important to get more stories where character impacts and defines plot.
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Posted 03 July 2011 - 12:35 AM

Definitely gonna buy a Movieverse one should they get around to it. Mowry's bios in the Reign of Starscream TPB were a tiny taste and a nice gesture but not much beyond that.

I'd also like a complete Unicron Trilogy one. For all the crud that Energon waded through I was really looking forward to the MTMTE profiles for that comic. And Cybertron gave us such cool bios that it would've been really neat to see them done up MTMTe-style!

The IDW BW one I was really looking forward to. Then it came out and most everything I could've imagined going wrong with it went wrong.



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Posted 03 July 2011 - 12:35 AM

I certainly wouldn't mind some, especially since I missed out on the Dreamwave ones.

Totally not going to happen, but a Shattered Glass one would be nice. More realistically, having a movie one would be great too.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 01:15 AM

I want a movie profile book, but only if John Barber writes it.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 01:35 AM

I third the John Barber-written Movieverse profile book.

Also, I wish we'd get to read the bios from the unpublished Energon MTMTE.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 05:23 AM

QUOTE(Zodberg @ Jul 3 2011, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Transfotaku @ Jul 3 2011, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would enjoy more of these myself. Especially about my favoritest continuity....
Robots in Disguise. Seems no one likes it but me.


you didn't notice the complete series of character profiles developed by many individuals from this very website?
Check it out...
http://www.allspark....20/COMPLETE.pdf
edit: I do not know where several of the profiles have gone, it was complete at one point, and had actual navigation before...

Honestly I think profile books create more continuity conflicts than they manage to effectively definition to characters who don't have any. And while I love character, I think it's more important to get more stories where character impacts and defines plot.



I meant official ones.

Not written by fans.

Cause you saw what happens when they get written by fans.
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Posted 03 July 2011 - 05:52 AM

I'd go for official profile books. I miss them. Got the original TF Universe profile book, but never got the bios of Fort Max and the rest that weren't in that book since it just covered all the characters up the the 86 movie. John Barber for a movie profile book I'd go for, it would be nice to have proper personalities and histories for all the movie bots.

Does anyone know how I could get hold of the DW MTMTE books?

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 06:04 AM

QUOTE(GodSentinelOmega @ Jul 3 2011, 05:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone know how I could get hold of the DW MTMTE books?

IDW has reprinted the series in two TPB collections.
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Posted 03 July 2011 - 06:52 AM

I often take the profile pages included in the club magazine, scan them, print them and bind them up into continuties. I have a book for Classicverse, one for Gen2 Redux, one for SG one for Post Beast Machines, etc.

Plus occasionally I made one using existing material edited up, like when I saw Gen2 Redux has Universe Deluxe Galvatron, I took the Dreamwave bio and edited the pictures:



For Sunstreaker of the Classicverse, I use this:


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Posted 03 July 2011 - 09:22 AM

Yeah profile books are my thing
Owning all of them that has come out its turned me into a fan of Profile books in genral.
Owning the orignal Marvel univese books and now if i see a profile book on any comic book I buy it

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 11:11 AM

I really dug the Beast Wars profile book. I'd gladly buy more.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 02:15 PM

I'd love a late G1/G2 book, as well as an Energon/Cybertron one, as long as they were up to the quality of the Dreamwave ones. (BW Sourcebook not so much)

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 03:45 PM


I'd love it if we ever got high-quality licensed profile / retrospective books to cover everything that HASN'T been covered to date: post-2000 Beast material, the UT, reissues, and the various high-end collector brands. Every time TakaraTomy puts out another guidebook that just covers the toys they released that same year, it strikes me as more of a wasted opportunity.

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Posted 03 July 2011 - 10:34 PM

I would love to have a movieverse profile book. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 02:19 AM

I want an Autopedia book.
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Posted 04 July 2011 - 04:17 PM

They should be written by the writers of the Dreamwave G1 MTMTE books.

I'd love a G1 expansion series featuring the likes of the Robotmasters, Shadow Striker, Thunderclash, Acid Storm and Nemesis Prime. I'd love to see where they would have gone with Sunstorm and the other clones like Stepper and Soundblaster.

I did enjoy the Beast Wars profile books.

I'd love to see the Energon books released. I loved what they did with the Armada books, especially Predacon and Overload. Be interesting to see what they would have done with Ultra Magnus and Rodimus.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE(Zodberg @ Jul 2 2011, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly I think profile books create more continuity conflicts than they manage to effectively definition to characters who don't have any. And while I love character, I think it's more important to get more stories where character impacts and defines plot.

Agreed. For me, part the TF multiverse's appeal is all of the dark corners that are left to the fans to explore. I wouldn't want, for instance, a Machine Wars profile book because the franchise currently has exactly the right amount of bare-minimum context to be fertile ground for my own imagination.

Moreover, when it comes to giving unsung characters some official love, profile books strike me as a lazy way out. Not to say that bio-writers are themselves lazy, but that I don't find the end product satisfying enough as a form of storytelling to justify the loss I feel when a tantalizingly formless character is solidified.

(Of course, there are always exceptions - for instance, I like Orcanoch's IDW profile, and he had previously had NO personality or story appearances whatsoever, which is a little too blank a slate for me. But as a general rule, I feel more negatively than positively towards profile-book projects.)

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jul 3 2011, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Every time TakaraTomy puts out another guidebook that just covers the toys they released that same year, it strikes me as more of a wasted opportunity.

Too true. I've been pretty disappointed with the recent so-called "Generations" books. If we're talking about what we'd like to see happen in terms of retrospective/documentary-type projects, I would love to see the original Generations get true sequels. In English, ideally.



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