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@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

http://i.imgur.com/qeoJpsf.jpg

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.


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#1 Lukeblast

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 12:29 PM



#2 Lukeblast

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 02:15 PM

Good panel. Lots of cool info there. icon-hotrod.gif

Sadly, no one (including myself) thought to ask if they'll at least mention the inconsistency of saying various characters don't have alt modes/Earth modes when they clearly have the elements of them. I know that on the technical side it has to do with the cost of new models, but in-fiction it'd be nice to have a reason why Skyquake obviously had all the parts of a jet, yet was explicitly said not to have an Earth mode (IIRC, a similar thing was said about Wheeljack, who has... well, wheels).

It's nit-picking on a certain level, I know, but it's one of those things that would make the world seem a little more... "complete" ("tidy"?) to have a reason instead of just pretending the kibble isn't there.

Edited by Lukeblast, 05 June 2011 - 02:18 PM.


#3 Confuzor

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 02:47 PM

A little surprised noone commented on the human characters and their perceived annoyingness.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 02:52 PM

That would be an act of extremely poor tact.

"Disabled people donít have special needs. We have very reasonable human needs. Our needs include freedom from abuse, violence, and mistreatment, the right to autonomy and self-direction, the right to represent ourselves, equal opportunity for education and employment, the right to accommodation, and societal inclusion and acceptance.

The need for accommodation isnít a ďspecial needĒ. Itís a basic human right. Itís a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."


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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:14 PM

Your point...?

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:21 PM

I happen to like the human characters.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:29 PM

As do I.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:30 PM

I'm kind of glad that I can continue calling the troopers Eradicons because I love that name.
Calling the toys vehicons also seems like trademark protection.


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Posted 05 June 2011 - 04:33 PM

Yeah, Eradicons is a much better name. It's new, unique to TFP, and sounds awesome. Vehicon is a great name too, but it's had its moment.

#10 Confuzor

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 05:03 PM

QUOTE(Gizmoboy @ Jun 5 2011, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I happen to like the human characters.

I do too, but I know a few people who won't give the show the benefit of the doubt cuz Miko annoys them.

I'm simply curious as to how the the people behind the show view that scenario.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE(Confuzor @ Jun 5 2011, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Gizmoboy @ Jun 5 2011, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I happen to like the human characters.

I do too, but I know a few people who won't give the show the benefit of the doubt cuz Miko annoys them.

Miko annoys the living hell out of me but I've still watched most of the episodes.

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I'm simply curious as to how the the people behind the show view that scenario.

Given their track records, Orci and Kurtzman would probably go "WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MIKO AT ALL IT WAS ALL SOME OTHER GUY BLAME HIM BLAME HIM BUT LOVE US!".

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Jun 5 2011, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Given their track records, Orci and Kurtzman would probably go "WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MIKO AT ALL IT WAS ALL SOME OTHER GUY BLAME HIM BLAME HIM BUT LOVE US!".

You mean like how Bay immediately pointed his finger at Reno Wilson and Tom Kenny after that? icon-primal.gif

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.


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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:21 PM

Dude, Wilson and Kenny SAID they were the ones characterizing those guys.

"Disabled people donít have special needs. We have very reasonable human needs. Our needs include freedom from abuse, violence, and mistreatment, the right to autonomy and self-direction, the right to represent ourselves, equal opportunity for education and employment, the right to accommodation, and societal inclusion and acceptance.

The need for accommodation isnít a ďspecial needĒ. Itís a basic human right. Itís a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."


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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:23 PM

Prime writers are very aware that people hate humans. During SDCC last time when they showed pics of the humans everybody went from cheering to ".........."

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE(Confuzor @ Jun 5 2011, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A little surprised noone commented on the human characters and their perceived annoyingness.

It would surprise you that most people (based on the cheering their voice actors and lines got and the lack of mean spirited comments) at BotCon like the kids and were even asking about making more articulated versions of them.

I personally think they're great, on par with any of the robots on the series.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:43 PM

UGH! I said I have no problem with the humans. But I know people that do, so I was curious how the show handlers are dealing with it.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Jun 5 2011, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That would be an act of extremely poor tact.

You do remember what fandom we're in, right?

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
QUOTE(mx-01 archon @ Sep 9 2012, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:58 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jun 5 2011, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Jun 5 2011, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That would be an act of extremely poor tact.
You do remember what fandom we're in, right?

Someone remembered to ask Cullen if he's read PrimexMegatron slashfic since the last con, right?


Don't tell me you forgot! That was important!

Edited by Lukeblast, 05 June 2011 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2011 - 07:38 AM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Jun 5 2011, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, Eradicons is a much better name. It's new, unique to TFP, and sounds awesome. Vehicon is a great name too, but it's had its moment.


I demand the rubbery parts (that the spikey pieces will be made of) on their toys to be actual erasers. icon-fire.gif
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 09:42 AM

My favorite part was when they said Knockout was gay because his programming was faulty. Yikes. Um.



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