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@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

http://i.imgur.com/qeoJpsf.jpg

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.


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#1 Daytonus

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 11:32 AM



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Posted 04 June 2011 - 11:41 AM

this panel so awesome we need two threads on it!!

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:27 PM

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starting in January, digital only project "Autocracy"
writers: Chris Metzen / Flint Dille


Blizzard's Chris Metzen?
If so, interesting!

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:32 PM

yes Blizzard's

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:57 PM

A proper, honest-to-god pre-war Transformers story?

I have only been waiting for that forever. Even if its watercooler politics among giant robots it's something I'm really interested in.

#6 Echowarrior

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 01:00 PM

Did anyone see the comments I tried to make on that thing? Anyone?
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Jun 4 2011, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes Blizzard's


Does that mean that the story will feature Elita-1 will being converted into a bad guy, then backstab everyone, gain a large creepy fanbase in the process, slaughter tons on innocents and pretty much become impervious to any comeuppance as she becomes an invincible mary sue?

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 01:59 PM

Flint Dille stuff is interesting the rest kinda yawn we knew it already.


ZacWilliam, killing Optimus AGAIN? Triple yawn.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 02:56 PM

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Daytonus: q: Drift?
a: Major impt character in Chaos

hug you, IDW.

On the bright side, with Costa out by the end and writing duties being taken over by Barber and Roberts... I might have to start buying TF comics on a monthly basis again.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 04 June 2011 - 03:29 PM

Drift has been neglected lately since his mini series. Guy needs some love.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 4 2011, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Drift has been neglected lately since his mini series.

Because nobody else wants to write about the other guy's totally awesome fancharacter made official u guyze. Just like with Infestation, Drift's inclusion reeks of "editorial mandate", because Ryall and Tipton are gay for Drift.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 04 June 2011 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Jun 4 2011, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 4 2011, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Drift has been neglected lately since his mini series.

Because nobody else wants to write about the other guy's totally awesome fancharacter made official u guyze. Just like with Infestation, Drift's inclusion reeks of "editorial mandate", because Ryall and Tipton are gay for Drift.


And yet, with a proper writer at the helm, Drift could actually be *gasp* an interesting character.

Yes, I know, it sounds absurd, but there you are.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 04:50 PM

It'd take some epic distancing from his crappy-ass backstory, and the loss of that bigass superspecialawesomesauce sword.
And maybe he could have a gun, too.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:00 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Jun 4 2011, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It'd take some epic distancing from his crappy-ass backstory, and the loss of that bigass superspecialawesomesauce sword.
And maybe he could have a gun, too.


Two guns.

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE(Weremole @ Jun 4 2011, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A proper, honest-to-god pre-war Transformers story?

I have only been waiting for that forever. Even if its watercooler politics among giant robots it's something I'm really interested in.

A series set before Megatron Origin's? Wow, what did I just post here last week? icon-hotrod.gif

Very excited for that.


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q: where are Verity and Jimmy?
a: written is in the "Legacy of Rust" mini-series (punch counterpunch story), not published yet, will come out at some point--unfortunately, that locks him out for a while, but they remember him and "know where he is"

Glad they're intending to use him, I forgot all about that mini though, hope it comes out soon.

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q: Dinobots?
a: not in Last Story on Earth, but you'll see them

icon-depth.gif Disappointing they're not in it. I wonder how we'll see them.

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q: Drift?
a: Major impt character in Chaos

I need a drink. icon-ball.gif

QUOTE(Detour @ Jun 4 2011, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 4 2011, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Drift has been neglected lately since his mini series.

Because nobody else wants to write about the other guy's totally awesome fancharacter made official u guyze. Just like with Infestation, Drift's inclusion reeks of "editorial mandate", because Ryall and Tipton are gay for Drift.

Buck up, maybe he'll use his spark eating sword, sacrificing himself, and it'll be for absolutely nothing.


Actually that sounds like a really cool death, too cool for Drift.

Edited by Fenix Twilight, 04 June 2011 - 05:52 PM.


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What's all this "125" jank? Are they thinking about renumbering the series by counting up all their previous TF stuff? Would that even make 120ish comics?

I swear I have been consistently disappointed by IDW since they took Furman off G1. Sales rose for a bit w/ more G1 art (hardly Furman's fault), then dropped HARD when 7 issues went by without any story progression whatsoever. Literally the autobots and decepticons were in the same place and status in issue 8 that they were in issue 1! Then we moved on to "Ongoing" and it's continuing efforts to make Michael Bay's Transformers seem worthy of praise because it remembers what bumblebee transforms into from scene to scene when IDW can't.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 02:00 AM

I'd rather they actually did something to make Drift valuable rather than having him hang around in the background.

I don't care about the collected butthurt regarding the pointless hoohaah of the characters debut. Just have him do something already.

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 02:02 AM

QUOTE(Bites @ Jun 4 2011, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's all this "125" jank? Are they thinking about renumbering the series by counting up all their previous TF stuff? Would that even make 120ish comics?


I remember counting it before, and yeah, it'll reach 125. There were a few issues on the margin that I can't remember if they were included or excluded (New Avengers crossover, Infestation, etc) but there's a way to get it up to 125.

The ideas certainly look interesting (though the Death of Optimus Prime is nothing new since, oh, 1986) but IDW has a recent track record of having ideas sound good in preview then underwhelming when hitting the page. The current storyline actually looks like there's some love and care into it, but "Revenge of the Decepticons" was such a go-nowhere nothing storyline that there really isn't any sense of buildup for it. And you can see that just by seeing how little comments there are in the comics discussions now...

Edited by Magnusblitz, 05 June 2011 - 02:03 AM.


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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:51 AM

QUOTE(Magnusblitz @ Jun 5 2011, 08:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember counting it before, and yeah, it'll reach 125. There were a few issues on the margin that I can't remember if they were included or excluded (New Avengers crossover, Infestation, etc) but there's a way to get it up to 125.

They've left out both TF: Infestation and the New Avengers crossover, by my reckoning:

Infiltration #0-6 = 0-6
Stormbringer #1-4 = 7-10
Escalation #1-6 = 11-16
Megatron Origin #1-4 = 17-20
Devastation #1-6 = 21-26
Max Dinobots #1-5 = 27-31
AHM #1-16 = 32-47
Ongoing #1-31 = 38-78
Bumblebee #1-4 = 79-82
LS/Wreckers #1-5 = 83-87
Ironhide #1-4 = 88-91
Drift #1-4 = 92-95
Heart of Darkness #1-4 = 96-99
Spotlights ? 25 = 100-124
Transformers #125- = 125+

[Disclaimer: The "totalled" numbers aren't meant to say Spotlight: Shockwave is #100 and other such "out of sequence" stuff, it's just for ease of explanation!]

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Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:53 AM

QUOTE(Magnusblitz @ Jun 5 2011, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bites @ Jun 4 2011, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's all this "125" jank? Are they thinking about renumbering the series by counting up all their previous TF stuff? Would that even make 120ish comics?


I remember counting it before, and yeah, it'll reach 125. There were a few issues on the margin that I can't remember if they were included or excluded (New Avengers crossover, Infestation, etc) but there's a way to get it up to 125.


With #20 we are currently at 114 issues, well 113 since HoD didn't ship this week, so yeah the 10 issues of Chaos would give us 124.

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