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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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#41 Detour

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 04:16 PM

WOW. I don't think they understood my complaint about stickers.
I didn't mean that the stickers don't stick well, I mean they keep making teensy stickers that are nigh-impossible to apply in the assigned areas, like the POC VAMP's dashboard stickers, or any stickers on the Snake Trax that go behind the giant cannon.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 05:49 PM

When I read that answer I was like "Yeah, I don't think that's what he was talking about at all..."

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Jun 7 2011, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WOW. I don't think they understood my complaint about stickers.
I didn't mean that the stickers don't stick well, I mean they keep making teensy stickers that are nigh-impossible to apply in the assigned areas, like the POC VAMP's dashboard stickers, or any stickers on the Snake Trax that go behind the giant cannon.

And/or stickers that cover molded detail in ways that are physically impossible, make the detail pointless, or both.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 02:46 PM

That's why I was really specific in my sticker question back on page 2:

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 10:45 PM

1) With the release of the Steel Brigade figure, can we expect Name Your Own Create-A-Cobra figure to follow in its footsteps?

2) The PIT Commando from the Rise of Cobra toyline was a smash hit with fans. Are there any plans to release a similar army builder figure with multiple vests, helmets and weapons for Cobra?

3) Why doesn't the Pursuit of Cobra Iron Grenadier have the control arm for the machine gun?

4) In today's somewhat more P.C. world, could we ever expect a new version of the Interrogator character?

5) Are there any figure parts or accessories the design team is just dying to reuse on a new figure?

6) Why is it new characters seem to have a better shot at seeing release than new versions of more obscure characters (like Spearhead & Max, for example)? Wouldn't they qualify as being just as new to the non-diehard fan's eye?

7) If Night Fox is a navy sniper, why is he in the desert with a high-caliber machine gun and a shotgun?

Edited by Detour, 09 June 2011 - 10:53 PM.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 10 June 2011 - 02:19 PM

Since the revival of the line in 2007, the majority of the original Python Patrol lineup from 1989 has been released in some fashion, either in stores or as exclusives. In contrast, there are a number of figures and vehicles which could be redone in their appropriate Tiger Force, Night Force, Sonic Fighters / Super Sonic Fighters, Sky Patrol, or Slaughter's Marauders colors but which have not been touched; in particular, more than a few eyebrows raised when Wild Bill was packed with the Target-exclusive Tiger Rat instead of its original pilot, Skystriker. Will we potentially see these subsets fleshed out in the future, or has the notion of vintage subset redecoes been put on hiatus for the time being?











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Posted 02 August 2011 - 04:04 PM

a chance at doing some real investgative reporting

why did wave 4 cases not see a canadian card release? this has severely reduced the number of wave 4 figures available to canadians. wave 4 cases where 3 of each of the 4 figures. the US carded revision cases being sold in canada don't have destro or shadow tracker. did you not take this into consideration when deciding not to give us wave 4 cases?


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Posted 02 August 2011 - 09:27 PM

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Jun 10 2011, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since the revival of the line in 2007, the majority of the original Python Patrol lineup from 1989 has been released in some fashion, either in stores or as exclusives. In contrast, there are a number of figures and vehicles which could be redone in their appropriate Tiger Force, Night Force, Sonic Fighters / Super Sonic Fighters, Sky Patrol, or Slaughter's Marauders colors but which have not been touched; in particular, more than a few eyebrows raised when Wild Bill was packed with the Target-exclusive Tiger Rat instead of its original pilot, Skystriker. Will we potentially see these subsets fleshed out in the future, or has the notion of vintage subset redecoes been put on hiatus for the time being?


Resubmitting this one, plus a few new ones:

*More than a few fans were disappointed in the fact that most of the Joes released with the Rise of Cobra line were either in all-black stealth uniforms or all-blue urban operations uniforms. Can we expect more variety in the uniforms for the figures to be released with the upcoming movie?

*What process goes into choosing which vintage characters will be given updates and re-releases?
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Posted 02 August 2011 - 09:48 PM

The rumor going around is that the color change on Zarana's top between the accurate pre-production figure and what actually arrived was intentional so that Hasbro would be free to release a more exact repaint in the regular figure line depending upon her success as the exclusive. Precedent seems to have been set by the Botcon Thundercracker being tweaked for an eventual mass market Thundercracker release later. Is this a possibility and might it also offer a fantastic oppotunity to finish off the Zartan family with the also oft-requested Zandar (retailer exclusive two-pack perhaps)?
 
 
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 02:53 AM

I'd like to see that sticker question reworked so they can't misunderstand it. icon-waspy.gif

QUOTE(Fortress Ironhold @ Aug 2 2011, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*More than a few fans were disappointed in the fact that most of the Joes released with the Rise of Cobra line were either in all-black stealth uniforms or all-blue urban operations uniforms. Can we expect more variety in the uniforms for the figures to be released with the upcoming movie?

This question has been asked and answered:
?Regarding the movie line, they are working on it full steam ahead and the designs have them excited. The one thing that they learned from the Rise of Cobra line is that there needs to be a bigger difference in look between the Joes and Cobras. No more of everyone in black. You will definitely be able to tell a difference between Joe and Cobra and the Cobra sigil will be very prominent. While they couldn?t be anything other than vague about the movie and the line they did say we can expect to see some classic vehicles modernized in the same way we?ve seen them done in the Pursuit of Cobra line.?

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*What process goes into choosing which vintage characters will be given updates and re-releases?

This question also gets asked... pretty frequently, in fact. Browsing con panels, past Q&As, interviews, and press releases will cover this several times over. I have no doubts it would get a canned answer.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 06:51 AM


Sigh. I'm gonna be that guy again for a minute and say remember when we Transformers fans got Hasbro QandAs like Joes and Marvel toys still do? What did we do wrong to get cut off? I have questions darn it!

Ok, back on topic, a Joe question:

The last few waves of Joes after the Arctic Destro wave have been completely unfindable at retail here. And I've looked. A lot. It's hard to purchase something that you never see on the shelf at Target, Walmart, or ToyRus. I would resort to HasbroToyShop but even they seem to mostly have full cases when they have anything at all. I want to give you my money: is there anything Hasbro can do to make that possible? Would it at least be possible to make sure Hasbro Toy Shop has a decent size stock of individual figures from each wave?
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 07:16 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Aug 3 2011, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sigh. I'm gonna be that guy again for a minute and say remember when we Transformers fans got Hasbro QandAs like Joes and Marvel toys still do? What did we do wrong to get cut off? I have questions darn it!


Actually, Marvel is on hiatus. It skipped at least the last two rounds.

So... Just Joe and Star Wars. But they asked that we no longer send Star Wars questions when they trimmed down their site list at the beginning of the year. *Sigh*

I guess that means we should get what we can out of Joe. Make sure those questions are worded so that we can get some really awesome answers!

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 07:39 AM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ Aug 3 2011, 03:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd like to see that sticker question reworked so they can't misunderstand it. icon-waspy.gif


Can I suggest the one that I asked back on Page 2?

"Ever since the movie line, there has seemed to be a major disconnect between the team designing the GI Joe vehicles and the team creating the stickers for them. Again and again, we're seeing decals that don't fit in the spaces where we're told to put them, that are supposed to impossibly lie flat over protruding plastic details, and that are shown in totally different locations between the instructions and the pictures on the boxes. As annoying as this may be for collectors, it must be even more frustrating for kids who are looking for simple directions for completing their toys. How does this keep happening, and are any steps being taken to put an end to the phenomenon?"

(SDCC Starscream also has these issues, maddeningly enough.)

So what's the Zarana shirt difference between preproduction and the final product? Just pink versus hot pink?
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:21 PM

I was actually hoping you'd re-suggest yours, SwiftEagle! icon-ironhide.gif

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Aug 3 2011, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The last few waves of Joes after the Arctic Destro wave have been completely unfindable at retail here. And I've looked. A lot. It's hard to purchase something that you never see on the shelf at Target, Walmart, or ToyRus. I would resort to HasbroToyShop but even they seem to mostly have full cases when they have anything at all. I want to give you my money: is there anything Hasbro can do to make that possible? Would it at least be possible to make sure Hasbro Toy Shop has a decent size stock of individual figures from each wave?

There are retail distribution questions in EVERY round of Q&A, and regardless of the actual words in the given answer, it pretty much comes down to "we can't control what the retailers do".

That actually includes HTS, as we know they're a separate entity and can order/decline to order at will. That was part of the SDCC kerfluffle; Hasbro was asked in the weeks before the con if HTS would have Skyscreamer and Zarana and honestly did not know because Hasbro doesn't control what HTS orders.

At best, the answer to this might say that they'll pass it along as a concern, but most of it will be yet another iteration of the same thing.

Personally, if you're willing to resort to online anyway, I'd recommend BBTS. I've been getting all my POC there and never had a problem. The price is comparable to retail, preordering takes all the worry out of whether you'll "find" it or not, shipping can sometimes be negligible if you buy several things over a period and use Pile of Loot system, and Hasbro is getting your money. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:47 PM

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So what's the Zarana shirt difference between preproduction and the final product? Just pink versus hot pink?


Yeah, both her hair and shirt went from the accurate hot pink to the pastel pink with blonde highlights in her hair.
 
 
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:52 PM

Aren't the blond highlights cartoon-accurate?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Aug 3 2011, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The last few waves of Joes after the Arctic Destro wave have been completely unfindable at retail here. And I've looked. A lot. It's hard to purchase something that you never see on the shelf at Target, Walmart, or ToyRus. I would resort to HasbroToyShop but even they seem to mostly have full cases when they have anything at all. I want to give you my money: is there anything Hasbro can do to make that possible? Would it at least be possible to make sure Hasbro Toy Shop has a decent size stock of individual figures from each wave?

I have to reiterate this question since, while I'd love to throw my money at Hasbro for all the neat figures I've seen online for 2011... I've only ever seen them online, never at retail. Arctic Destro killed distribution apparently in my whole state dead as a doornail.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:44 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Aug 3 2011, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aren't the blond highlights cartoon-accurate?

That's reasonable and even more excuse to release a toy accurate version I guess. icon-arcee.gif Just so they don't also give her the non-earringed butter face too.
 
 
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:57 PM

Wherever else she gets released... it won't be regular retail.

Zarana's classic look is THE worst of the 80s. She's as dated as it gets with GIJoe.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 08:32 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Aug 3 2011, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wherever else she gets released... it won't be regular retail.

Zarana's classic look is THE worst of the 80s. She's as dated as it gets with GIJoe.

To be fair, that is pretty much true of ALL the dreadnoks in their classic looks.

Here's a question I've been wondering:
Why are 12" figures back again this year?

They did poorly in 2008. They did poorly in 2009. So why bring them pack instead of offering more items in the more popular 4" range?

I know the reason is probably because Darryl Depriest is a 12" fan, but I haven't seen Hasbro's 12" stuff do well at retail since 2003 and I'm betting this attempt will be another two wave flop.



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