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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that continuity after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same continuity.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o

@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

DON'T TALK TO ME! DON'T TALK TO ME, CRIMINAL!

@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)

GRANMAMA DRINK YO PRUNE JUICE

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)

Who?

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.


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So that new Voltron show...what happend to it?


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#241 Benbot

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:50 PM

QUOTE(Daith @ Apr 26 2012, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It did?! Must of missed those episodes. But with Daniel I was just trying to be brief with the explanation.


I know. I was just expressing my frustration with the stupidity of the show.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:49 PM

Yellow lion set just arrived.

No time to even open it now, but hopefully I'll have some pics up tonight, if anyone's interested.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:09 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ May 10 2012, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yellow lion set just arrived.

No time to even open it now, but hopefully I'll have some pics up tonight, if anyone's interested.

Would love to see the pics since that is all I'll ever see of this set icon-fire.gif


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:29 AM

Alright, here we go.

Usual disclaimer about me being terrible at taking photos, and having a messy desk.

I've used the same Wheeljack for size comparison.

I've also used the same cat. She's loose but in fairly good condition, and for once, was able to sit still for more than 2 minutes.









So all up, pretty nice.

I'm really concerned about space though. I don't have enough room for these monstrosities!


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:00 PM

So dude, has he show gotten better?
Woooo!

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:25 PM

QUOTE(Zodberg @ May 12 2012, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So dude, has he show gotten better?


Well, it's over now and not really.
Well, Art is Art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water. And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now you tell me what you know.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:38 PM

Over forever, or just for the season?

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:00 PM

QUOTE(Benbot @ May 12 2012, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Over forever, or just for the season?


Well, they set up for another season but with any luck it will never happen.
Well, Art is Art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water. And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now you tell me what you know.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:35 PM

Well all Voltron Shows are now available on tthe US's Netflix's Instant streaming. Gives me a chance to watch V: The Third Dimension. And we can all share the joy of Voltron Force now icon-fire.gif

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 04:50 PM

I was really looking forward to this show, but I just couldn't get into it.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:06 PM

I watched it all from start to finish and, in all honesty, I found it to be the best of all three series.

V:DotU was unwatchably painful for me since the voices, dialogue, writing, editing, and certain plots all wrecked of the some of the worst 1980's cartoon styles that made them absolutely atrocious. The animation was good, though. Never saw the Vehicle Voltron series since the reruns only aired the Lion episodes. but I did see the Fleet of Doom special, in which Vehicle Voltron seemed criminally underportrayed, since it seemed to be the cooler of the two Voltrons in that special.

V:T3D was a bit subpar in the animation department, but EPIC in the writing and voice acting! Tim Curry was an excellent Lotor and Kevin Micheal Richardson turned Zarkon into a Magnificent Dastard. Also helped that the returning voice cats had significantly improved since their time on the first series. The whole angle of the Voltron Lion Force being gradually viewed as renegades by Galaxy Garrison was cool, especially when they were put on trial and it was Coran who (in his shining moment of all time) defended them diligently. And I LIKED Stealth Voltron. Especially in that one episode where they go to an "almost-but-not-quite-Shattered Glass-type" dimension in which we got to see two Voltrons face against each other. icon-ironhide.gif

With Voltron Force, I got the best of both. Decent (but not terrible) animation with intriguing (and at time engaging) plots and character arcs, as well as top notch voice acting. Of all three series, this one seemed to be the one with the most effort put into it, with plenty of homages to the previous shows, along with some new appeal to it. The cadet were not bad in the slightest, and were oftentimes used competently. They were not kids, but teenagers (with attitude icon-waspy.gif ), and each added something new to the team that came in handy quite often.

And, no matter what anyone says, Pidge was completely a child in in the first series, not a small person, a child. So these cadets get a pass since they are older than Pidge was when first he started piloting in V:DotU.

The homages were spread throughout the series, each one coming when least expected. Off the top of my head, a few examples include playing the classic theme song for the combination sequence starting at episode 13, Wade taking over the Galaxy Alliance and labeling Voltron as an enemy a la Zarkon in V:T3D (this notion is what made me kinda hope Wade was a still-alive King Zarkon in disguise, but nope), Haggar's face in the Haggarium nebula, Commander Cossack returning (with a more militant personality instead of the eccentric coward he was in V:DotU), a King Zarkon statue in Lotor's throne room, King Alfor's spirit ghost mentoring Allura in his tomb, the Lion Head Attack in the final episode of season 1, and the Castle of Lions turning into its warship mode in the same episode. icon-fire.gif

The animation honestly did not bother me. The designs seemed to fit their personalities well enough, and the CGI was just fine. Well, okay, the CGI movements were a bit shaky at times, but not unbearable.

The voice acting was superb! I think people has said enough of Garry Chalk as Sky Marshall Wade, so I'll instead talk about Mark Hildreth as Lotor. In a word: PERFECT! Forget Lennie Weinrib, Mark Hildreth IS Lotor! While Tim Curry was also very good, and even made him come off as being charasmatic in a way, Mark Hildreth just excellently captures Lotor's menacing side, along with his charm and ambition.

Something else I really liked was how this show does not try to hide death. AT ALL. The characters casually use the words "death", "dead", "die", "died", "kill", "killed", etc. They even shoot Lotor dead in Lance "I'm forming the head?!" episode. On screen murder, ladies and gentlemen. icon-bee.gif Of course, he's resurrected (again) later in the episode, but still, they *shot* him dead on screen.

Now, all this praise isn't o say that there aren't things that I don't like. For starters, I kinda felt Green Center being ninja-themed was kind of a icon-blitz.gif moment. Black is normal (energy-based?), Red is fire-based, Yellow is earth-based, and Blue is water-based, so wouldn't Green better fit as an elemental base as well? And "Boomerang Shield" is probably the silliest of the five finishing attacks, so it kinda bugged me how easily and quickly it disposed of the Predator RoBeast during it rematch with Voltron (which, BTW, was also rather abrupt). There's also the fact that season 1 really felt like it was building up to something bigger for another season and ended with aquick cliffhanger, so if there's no season 2, this new plot thread will be left unresolved. And the theme song is icon-kicker.gif . I always fast forwarded through it. Imaging how much cooler another update to the original opening sequence with Garry Chalk as the narrator (like what they did with V:T3D's first opening with Kevin Michael Richardson as the narrator) would have been.

But, all in all, Voltron Force was, IMHO, the best of all three Voltron series, and I do wish to see it continue. And, who know, should it continue, maybe the makers have heard these criticisms and will work to make it better for future episodes to come. One can only hope.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 04:22 PM

Really a lot of us here have some very large Nostalgia glasses on around here. When I was a kid I loved DotU and had about 3 or 4 pairs of little Voltron Tennis Shoes (I was very young during the first run so toys were still a ways off). Today while I love the concept still I can't get myself to sit through more than the first few episodes. Despite obvious animation flaws which some of us seem not to be able to forgive, Voltron Force isn't that bad of a next gen series. I'm not married to the One version of Voltron combining and having the other four forms save for Green center was pretty cool. Yellow center barely passes for good.

My biggest beef other than the cadets replacing the classic characters just for the sake of giving it to the next generation was the horrible character retcons. Namely Pidges's home planet being home to scientist ninjas icon-blitz.gif But I really want them to finish their whole origins of Voltron deal here. If they cut this off before exploring the last planet I'm gonna be a tad irked.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:18 PM

I just hoped we could get some new Voltron toys out of this show.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:39 PM

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I just hoped we could get some new Voltron toys out of this show.


Not really sure how that would work with the whole changing center gimmick. Either option (lions all the same size or keeping the sizes as they always have been) would likely lead to a Voltron with horrible proportions in at least 4 out of 5 modes.
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 02:27 PM

So I just watched it on Netflix... and gotta say I don't get all the hate. I found it rather enjoyable..

Sure I could nitpick a few plot points like forgetting they've done 4 lion Voltron, and the castle flying before.. but really, its not so major a grievance



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Posted 07 July 2012 - 06:06 PM

QUOTE(Daith @ Jul 1 2012, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really a lot of us here have some very large Nostalgia glasses on around here.

As someone who didn't grow up in the 80's and finds the original Voltron, Thundercats, G.I. Joe and even G1 Transformers goofy as all hell... It's because it wasn't just a bad reboot, it was also simply a bad show. Renegades, TFA and New!Thundercats all had great animation, solid writing and characterization, and/or actual effort put into the series (Renegades had the best balance of good animation and writing, Thundercats had the best animation, and TFA had the best plotting). This show had none of those.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:19 PM

I like the show fine. I'm not nominating it for an Emmy.

Anybody else watching this show and scratching their heads at the commercials that say "A brand new episode of Dragonball GT!"? Really? Not 15 year old episodes that aired in America like 10 years ago?

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:22 PM

Didn't they show off toys for this at SDCC? What happened to them?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 12:07 AM

QUOTE(Waspinator @ Aug 17 2012, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didn't they show off toys for this at SDCC? What happened to them?

Sort of. Some mockups at least from 2011.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 12:31 AM

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V:T3D was a bit subpar in the animation department,

Dude, it was miles sub-par in the animation department. It was tragic and comical and had every problem with CGI a show could have before Transformers: Energon invented some new ones.
Woooo!



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