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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 Skullgrin2014

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 12:14 PM

Okay, we all know that RTS, Primes sword handle was too thick and causes stress marks.


When Armada Predacon was released, he got some new tooling to increse the durability of the hinge joints within the chest and other significant places.

We, all know how Universe Galvatron for example, pops apart like nobodies business. Yet, we probably won't get a voyager for years and he's a healthy size to Cyclonus, Scourge, and Rodimus. Despite being too short among other figures.

I've always felt why not have the figure retooled to have some more hinged joints. Instead of those pop in joints. So none of his parts break off during Transformation. I like him at his size. And, considering Thunderwing and RTS Prime. I have this feeling deluxes will eventually be getting smaller anyways.

So if there was one toy I'd like retooled for more durability, and to fix significant problems. It would be Galvatron. The joints on the backpack could be held toghether with metal pins. Also, the squared pegs the backpack locks into. Those could be retooled as well to actually connect properly and hold the back pack like they were supposed too.

I figure they can even fix the the ball joint on the left arm. As well as the two shins that constantly pop off from the legs.


Well, thats at least the "one" toy i'd like to see retooled.



Also, I think TM Megatron deserves this treatment. He could get a showaccurate head. As well as golden disks and a clasp to hold them in his back. Maybe mordern open sculpt hands?

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 12:20 PM

I don't think Universe 2.0 Galvatron is a good enough toy all around to be worth putting the work into saving him. If something was going to be remolded either way, I'd rather see those remolding dollars go toward new parts to make a toy like WFC Megatron into a good Galvatron, like a new head, chest, and cannon barrel. I think that would be way more satisfying than merely making an unpopular toy slightly less of a mess.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 12:30 PM

Armada Predacon was remolded besides the minicon pegs? Huh.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 12:37 PM

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Armada Predacon was remolded besides the minicon pegs? Huh.


Yes, he was remolded for some extra durability in some of the hinge joints.

Thats, especially why I'd love a TM Megatron colors re-releases. The minicons could just be repackaged. Or be sold as toys in his ship quarters.


http://www.cybertron...edacon tutorial Razorsaw this gives you an idea of what the new toolings are.


Well, yeah J I realize it won't happen. But I mostly made this thread for fun anyways. So, it's what I'd like to see even if it isn't a logical idea.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 12:54 PM

QUOTE(MonsterFromMars @ Mar 4 2011, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Armada Predacon was remolded besides the minicon pegs? Huh.


Yes, he was remolded for some extra durability in some of the hinge joints.

Thats, especially why I'd love a TM Megatron colors re-releases. The minicons could just be repackaged. Or be sold as toys in his ship quarters.



Well, yeah J I realize it won't happen. But I mostly made this thread for fun anyways. So, it's what I'd like to see even if it isn't a logical idea.

Or make a new Minicon of the Pred ship. That woukld be awesome.

...well, now I know what I want for the next BW anniversary that Hasbro does anything for. Of course, I'd rather them give us new molds instead. Is it to much to ask for a Rattrap toy that doesn't suck?

Edited by Blade Raider, 04 March 2011 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2011 - 01:06 PM

Cybertron Crumplezone a better head little bit smaller and better henges for the wings and just a few more design details would make him perfect

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 01:21 PM

The most significant retooling I found for Armada Predacon is the size of the elbow joint. You can't use TM Megatron's forearms with Predacon's upper arms (at least not without some sort of modding).

I didn't check the linked thread fully yet, though I have two customs of that mold (one TM Megatron, one "night ops" Megatron).
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 01:48 PM

Too many to name, but there are a lot of TFs lately who could easily have had waist joints but did not. Smolder jumps up off the top of my head.

Armada Megatron and Sideways both could have been much better by the inclusion of knee joints (And elbows in SW's case)

A lot of Beast Era toys would have benefitted from less absurd grimaces on their faces...
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 01:58 PM

I'm surprised that Masterpiece Megatron hasn't been mentioned. Obviously, the head could have been better. The scope could have been smaller.

All that, and I'd like his arms slightly modified, so that he can turn them in front of his chest. If only the part that lets you rotate his wrists was opposite. Then he's be able to (somewhat) rotate his arms in front of his chest.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE(Blade Raider @ Mar 4 2011, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Armada Predacon was remolded besides the minicon pegs? Huh.


Yes, he was remolded for some extra durability in some of the hinge joints.

Thats, especially why I'd love a TM Megatron colors re-releases. The minicons could just be repackaged. Or be sold as toys in his ship quarters.



Well, yeah J I realize it won't happen. But I mostly made this thread for fun anyways. So, it's what I'd like to see even if it isn't a logical idea.

Or make a new Minicon of the Pred ship. That woukld be awesome.

...well, now I know what I want for the next BW anniversary that Hasbro does anything for. Of course, I'd rather them give us new molds instead.

This.

Though I would be happy with just the Predacon mold in Megatron colours.

On topic, it would have been nice if the TM2 Megatron dragon neck wasn't that wierd floppy mess that it is. Maybe have it be ball jointed like TM Megatron's tail.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:11 PM

Oh yeah, Armada Megatron's a good point. Wish he had knees. Tidal Wave too. And of course, the US Tidal Wave colors are pretty bad.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:41 PM

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And of course, the US Tidal Wave colors are pretty bad.

What's wrong with them?

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:47 PM

If you gave Armada Tidal Wave working knees I would marry him.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 05:48 PM

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:49 PM

It'd take some pretty insignificant retooling for 25th Anniversary Hound/Ravage to be the best toy of the last several years. Just a few millimeters of plastic added or removed here and there to make the missile launcher fit on Hound's shoulder, to stop his head from flopping around, and to make Ravage fit inside Soundwave's tape deck without excessive force.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 09:25 PM

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And of course, the US Tidal Wave colors are pretty bad.

What's wrong with them?

I just feel that the colors of the Armada cartoon and of the Japanese release of the figure are far better.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 10:05 PM

If they do ever retool the TM Megatron toy. They can completely forego the handle to his tail cutlass. Just make a slot for his fist to slide into. It'd be so much better.


Oh and as for the new toolings the shoulders, elbows, insides of the chest panels, joints connecting the VTOL fans were all retooled. I think there's more than that though.


But I'd like even more new tooling, working roller blades, new head, new handle for the cutlass that let's the hand slot in, golden disks with slots to hold them. And adding even more sturdiness to the arms and vest panels.


There's really no point for an all new mold. They can just remove those minicons and add other features instead.


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Posted 04 March 2011 - 11:22 PM

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And of course, the US Tidal Wave colors are pretty bad.

What's wrong with them?

I just feel that the colors of the Armada cartoon and of the Japanese release of the figure are far better.

Fair, but I don't think that makes the Hasbro version bad.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:35 AM

movie wreckage needs some way to clip his gun joint to his back, so his arms stay in place. and Dropkick needs more pegs for his shoulders.

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