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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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Posted 23 February 2011 - 02:08 AM

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 08:01 AM



Looks cool.

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 05:03 PM

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Looks cool.


Is cool. Seriously, this is a good book with some crisp, clear artwork. Get it!


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Posted 23 February 2011 - 05:11 PM

Just a note to anyone who may have been reading the thread over on TFW2005 - seriously, this really doesn't contradict Defiance very much at all, and not in any way that couldn't be undone by the end of the mini.

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 07:35 PM

I echo Chris's statement. There's nothing in here that raises my eyebrow, continuity-wise.

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 07:48 PM

Pretty much the only thing is Sentinel naming Optimus a Prime when he didn't have the title in Defiance. But as I say, that's nothing that can't be undone by the end of this mini; plus, right now, only three people know about it, and it's really only honorary here, until Optimus learns he's a TRUE Prime in Defiance. Though I suspect Sentinel knows this already and is grooming him for the role, but we shall see how this plays out...

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 08:15 PM

Yeah, the stuff in this issue dances around and references too much from previous movie comics for me to think that the writer is gonna pull that big of a contradiction.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:16 AM

(In related news, time to totally merge Elita (Movie) and Elita (ROTF).)

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 07:05 AM

So, is Sentinel really Optimus' daddy like Bay said somewhere?

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 24 2011, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(In related news, time to totally merge Elita (Movie) and Elita (ROTF).)


How so, when in the Arcee ToF comic she was created from Arcee along with Chromia, thanks to the crazy Con surgeon's machinations, and in Defiance, she died on Cybertron prior to this event?

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 07:46 AM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 24 2011, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, is Sentinel really Optimus' daddy like Bay said somewhere?

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 24 2011, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(In related news, time to totally merge Elita (Movie) and Elita (ROTF).)


How so, when in the Arcee ToF comic she was created from Arcee along with Chromia, thanks to the crazy Con surgeon's machinations, and in Defiance, she died on Cybertron prior to this event?


She deid in "Reign of Starscream", and "Rising Storm" explains that Flatline used Arcee's spark to reignite both Elita's and Chromia's, a retconning of what we saw in "Tales of the Fallen".

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Feb 24 2011, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 24 2011, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, is Sentinel really Optimus' daddy like Bay said somewhere?

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 24 2011, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(In related news, time to totally merge Elita (Movie) and Elita (ROTF).)


How so, when in the Arcee ToF comic she was created from Arcee along with Chromia, thanks to the crazy Con surgeon's machinations, and in Defiance, she died on Cybertron prior to this event?


She deid in "Reign of Starscream", and "Rising Storm" explains that Flatline used Arcee's spark to reignite both Elita's and Chromia's, a retconning of what we saw in "Tales of the Fallen".


Not a complete retcon, though - it's all but outright stated that the three have a sort of hive mind thing going on. Kinda weird if you ask me.
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Posted 24 February 2011 - 04:29 PM

Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 24 2011, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!


Thanks for the kind words, and I'm really glad you liked the book. It only gets better.

Just thought I'd add a quick comment here explaining why I used the designs that I did. For one thing, the movieverse books have had so many different artists from Milne to Figureoa to Khanna and Magno with so many different looks to the bots that I've been trying to use elements from different artists as an attempt to pull everything together. While Elita-1 is closely following Milne's version of her in ROS, Ironhide's Cybertronian mode is basically Figureoa's design used in Defiance 3, as are several other characters like Brawl and others who are going to appear in the series. Flatline of course is Milne's design as his only appearance has been in TOTF.

I basically did my best to stick to previous designs when possible and if there were conflicting designs used then to go with the one that made more sense. Like For Prime's alt mode, I went with Don's design because it made more sense to me than the teardrop-shaped protoform alt mode he turned into sometimes in Defiance.

In my mind I've justified the different styles of designs as being from the different tribes mentioned in Foundation 1. I kinda figure that the guys who look like Don's work in Defiance might have a common heritage, while the background guys designed by Khanna in Defiance might be from another and so on.

By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

Anyway, just trying to add a little insight for the curious....

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE(polystyleneman @ Feb 25 2011, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

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That is AWESOME. Which one is which? The wiki must know.

Edit: I just recalled one of them was female, so I assume she's not Deadguy. Never hurts to be sure, though.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:22 AM

QUOTE(Cattleprod @ Feb 24 2011, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(polystyleneman @ Feb 25 2011, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

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That is AWESOME. Which one is which? The wiki must know.

Edit: I just recalled one of them was female, so I assume she's not Deadguy. Never hurts to be sure, though.


Actually they were both "male" but I guess the one did have sort of fembot traits, which would be Cannonfodder. I designed him with a mix of BB and Arcee in mind, as a younger Autobot eager to please Optimus and prove himself on the battlefield. Meanwhile Deadguy was designed to look like he was a flyer yet followed Optimus on foot and willing to go wherever Optimus did.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:28 AM

QUOTE(polystyleneman @ Feb 24 2011, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 24 2011, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!


Thanks for the kind words, and I'm really glad you liked the book. It only gets better.

Just thought I'd add a quick comment here explaining why I used the designs that I did. For one thing, the movieverse books have had so many different artists from Milne to Figureoa to Khanna and Magno with so many different looks to the bots that I've been trying to use elements from different artists as an attempt to pull everything together. While Elita-1 is closely following Milne's version of her in ROS, Ironhide's Cybertronian mode is basically Figureoa's design used in Defiance 3, as are several other characters like Brawl and others who are going to appear in the series. Flatline of course is Milne's design as his only appearance has been in TOTF.

I basically did my best to stick to previous designs when possible and if there were conflicting designs used then to go with the one that made more sense. Like For Prime's alt mode, I went with Don's design because it made more sense to me than the teardrop-shaped protoform alt mode he turned into sometimes in Defiance.

In my mind I've justified the different styles of designs as being from the different tribes mentioned in Foundation 1. I kinda figure that the guys who look like Don's work in Defiance might have a common heritage, while the background guys designed by Khanna in Defiance might be from another and so on.

By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

Anyway, just trying to add a little insight for the curious....


Wow, great to hear from you! Your mesh of styles works fairly well. Love the character names! icon-fire.gif I especially love the Tribes explanation - it would explain some of the more radical difference we've seen in some bots.

Say, I don't know if you can answer this, but is there a reason that Shockwave's design (in both books) differs from the final design we've seen via the toy and game promotions?

Edited by Master Fwiffo, 25 February 2011 - 12:31 AM.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE(polystyleneman @ Feb 25 2011, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually they were both "male" but I guess the one did have sort of fembot traits, which would be Cannonfodder.

Oops, yeah, I guess he doesn't really have many fembot traits beyond 'is a motorcycle'. His similar coloration to Elita-1 might've confused me when just glancing back at it.

Since we haven't driven you away with inane questions (yet), is the purple-ish seeker on page 5 based on Cyclonus, or am I seeing things?

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:42 AM

QUOTE(Cattleprod @ Feb 24 2011, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(polystyleneman @ Feb 25 2011, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually they were both "male" but I guess the one did have sort of fembot traits, which would be Cannonfodder.

Oops, yeah, I guess he doesn't really have many fembot traits beyond 'is a motorcycle'. His similar coloration to Elita-1 might've confused me when just glancing back at it.

Since we haven't driven you away with inane questions (yet), is the purple-ish seeker on page 5 based on Cyclonus, or am I seeing things?


Sadly no. He's basically just a "repaint" of Ramjet and Priscilla is solely responsible for the color choice. Though she might have had him in mind, I'm not sure. If you like Cyclonus easter eggs though, keep your eyes peeled in this series....

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:43 AM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 24 2011, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(polystyleneman @ Feb 24 2011, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 24 2011, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!


Thanks for the kind words, and I'm really glad you liked the book. It only gets better.

Just thought I'd add a quick comment here explaining why I used the designs that I did. For one thing, the movieverse books have had so many different artists from Milne to Figureoa to Khanna and Magno with so many different looks to the bots that I've been trying to use elements from different artists as an attempt to pull everything together. While Elita-1 is closely following Milne's version of her in ROS, Ironhide's Cybertronian mode is basically Figureoa's design used in Defiance 3, as are several other characters like Brawl and others who are going to appear in the series. Flatline of course is Milne's design as his only appearance has been in TOTF.

I basically did my best to stick to previous designs when possible and if there were conflicting designs used then to go with the one that made more sense. Like For Prime's alt mode, I went with Don's design because it made more sense to me than the teardrop-shaped protoform alt mode he turned into sometimes in Defiance.

In my mind I've justified the different styles of designs as being from the different tribes mentioned in Foundation 1. I kinda figure that the guys who look like Don's work in Defiance might have a common heritage, while the background guys designed by Khanna in Defiance might be from another and so on.

By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

Anyway, just trying to add a little insight for the curious....


Wow, great to hear from you! Your mesh of styles works fairly well. Love the character names! icon-fire.gif I especially love the Tribes explanation - it would explain some of the more radical difference we've seen in some bots.

Say, I don't know if you can answer this, but is there a reason that Shockwave's design (in both books) differs from the final design we've seen via the toy and game promotions?


I'm not at liberty to say anything about SW, buy Andy addressed it sorta on the IDW forums today.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:47 AM

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Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!


Thanks for the kind words, and I'm really glad you liked the book. It only gets better.

Just thought I'd add a quick comment here explaining why I used the designs that I did. For one thing, the movieverse books have had so many different artists from Milne to Figureoa to Khanna and Magno with so many different looks to the bots that I've been trying to use elements from different artists as an attempt to pull everything together. While Elita-1 is closely following Milne's version of her in ROS, Ironhide's Cybertronian mode is basically Figureoa's design used in Defiance 3, as are several other characters like Brawl and others who are going to appear in the series. Flatline of course is Milne's design as his only appearance has been in TOTF.

I basically did my best to stick to previous designs when possible and if there were conflicting designs used then to go with the one that made more sense. Like For Prime's alt mode, I went with Don's design because it made more sense to me than the teardrop-shaped protoform alt mode he turned into sometimes in Defiance.

In my mind I've justified the different styles of designs as being from the different tribes mentioned in Foundation 1. I kinda figure that the guys who look like Don's work in Defiance might have a common heritage, while the background guys designed by Khanna in Defiance might be from another and so on.

By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

Anyway, just trying to add a little insight for the curious....


Wow, great to hear from you! Your mesh of styles works fairly well. Love the character names! icon-fire.gif I especially love the Tribes explanation - it would explain some of the more radical difference we've seen in some bots.

Say, I don't know if you can answer this, but is there a reason that Shockwave's design (in both books) differs from the final design we've seen via the toy and game promotions?


I'm not at liberty to say anything about SW, buy Andy addressed it sorta on the IDW forums today.


Ah, thanks!

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