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#1 Walky

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 10:51 AM



This is something that we've brainstormed on the Allspark a few times. So say there's a toy of Hot Shot. Hot Shot gets redecoed as Springer.
Evac also gets redecoed as Springer. It's happened!

But does that mean that through the transitive property, Hasbro could do a Hot Shot from an Evac or vice versa, and it would be totally valid?
What if we take that to extremes?

What happens is that we have this chart. Because taking things to extremes is what fans do best!

And it's an idea that me and my friends have nurtured from time to time. It's a geeky idea. How else could we know that a redeco of Shockwave
into Small Foot is a valid idea? But then Shellspark had to go and start making a chart. And that's when jive got real. He had some different
rules from mine, so I made my own chart, with my own rules. He should post his chart in this thread as well. One thing I like about his rules is
that, since he includes some cross-univeral doppelgangers as the same guy, he can travel from G1 Soundwave to Cybertron Soundwave and
from him to alllllll of the jets. It's amaaazing. You can also get to Animated with those rules.

But this is my chart. #wiigii! and LiquidVelcro! helped me fill a few holes in it, and, of course, Tfwiki is always
a helpful resource.

And here is Sam's chart, moved here from page 3:

Edited by Code of Walky, 18 February 2011 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:05 AM

This is magnificent.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:07 AM

I only wish this was in HTML so I could easily Ctrl+F it. <3 otherwise.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:12 AM

I feel like Kevin Bacon should be on this chart somewhere.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:13 AM

Awesome stuff and I often think of these relations from time to time when thinking of possible redecos/retools.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:18 AM

I've removed the cross-continuity jumps on mine for a few reasons. First, I was having a hard time coming up with a good way to clearly and consistently show the jump that was being made. Second, it was taking a little too much room and I wanted to keep the chart to a more easily navigatable size (I did, however, keep an expanded version for my own amusement). And, finally, the cross-continuity jumps were often unneccesary, either connecting two characters who had other paths between them or only bringing in a few more characters. I wasn't sure it was worth it just to, say, bring Arcee, Tarantulus, Black Arachnia and Crystal Widow into the collective. The Soundwave example is really the only link that would have been of any note.

Unfortunately, photobucket downsizes my chart upon uploading so it's nigh unreadable.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:22 AM

Hurrah, other people have thought about this.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:26 AM

This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids

Edited by Daytonus, 17 February 2011 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:30 AM

I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Feb 17 2011, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.


Supposedly, all Sideways are the same guy, so...

Also, I'd lose my chance to see Cybertron Sideways as Big Bird Circuit if we took that out.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:44 AM

My mind, she is blown. my eyes, they bleeds.

My wiki sense, it tingles.

Is there a bit I missed to explain the color coding?
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:50 AM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:52 AM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 17 2011, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is there a bit I missed to explain the color coding?


Well, if I'm reading it right:

Red = G1
Teal = G2
Green = Beast Era
Yellow = RiD
Blue = Unicron Trilogy
Purple-pink = Universe
Pink = Movie
Lavender = Shattered Glass

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Feb 17 2011, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.



Yeah, counting original Sideways as ROTF Sideways doesn't quite seem to fit in with that rule.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:12 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 17 2011, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)


Oh right, I forgot that dude wasn't actually released. My bad.

Really, I just want to get to Skids somehow. Hehe.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 17 2011, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)


Depending how you treat G2 Dreadwing. And depending on your classification of "released"...

G1 Megatron --> G2 Megatron--> G2 Dreadwing --> G1 Darkwing --> Universe Ultra Silverbolt --> Universe Legends Silverbolt --> Universe Legends Starscream -- > G1 Starscream

Edited by NightViper, 17 February 2011 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:24 PM

G2 Dreadwing to Darkwing is a repurpose, isn't it?

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G2 Dreadwing to Darkwing is a repurpose, isn't it?


That one's fuzzy. It's possible Furman didn't realize that the toy's name belonged to the Darkwing/Dreadwind combiner rather than to Darkwing, and so in his mind he was just upgrading one guy to his new body. An accidental repurposing. That one's up to personal interpretation, I'd say.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE(shellspark @ Feb 17 2011, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unfortunately, photobucket downsizes my chart upon uploading so it's nigh unreadable.


Email it to me (wiigii at gmail) and I'll upload it to my site for you.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 01:28 PM

Do you care about corrections and additions? (E.g. some arrows are pointing the wrong way and Cybertron Scourge was also redecoed into RID Bruticus.)



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