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@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.


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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:20 PM

We've already seen Frenzy & Rumble way back when they were first added, but now we have pictures of Scourge, G2 Optimus, and Wheeljack.

Scourge has stripes all the way down his wings, red windows, metallic paint on his chest, a Decepticon symbol on the center of his chest (rather than his left breast), red eyes, lighter gray for the hands, darker gray for the gun, more pink finger nails.





G2 Optimus has clear blue instead of clear orange, no blue in vehicle mode, though he retains the flames the red does fade into black on some areas, different paint apps on the shoulders, red paint biceps, red details on his knees, G1 Autobot symbol on the side of the truck, silver painted gas tank area.





Wheeljack has metallic green paint, more elaborate stripe detailing on his chest, more green on the side of the car. There may be more differences, but it's hard to tell with neither figure being released yet.





Note the pictures of Frenzy & Rumble on Amazon.co.jp have always been of the United version since they've been in color.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:26 PM

I'll probably go for Scourge because the fairly subtle differences kind of work to just barely set him apart from some Sweeps, but I'm disappointed the differences aren't a little more significant.

I'm... surprised honestly how much better United G2 Prime ended up looking, but heck if I'm gonna pay an import markup for THAT mold... I bet that blue will light-pipe a LOT stronger than the orange.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:26 PM

I MUST HAVE THAT LASER PRIME!!!

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:37 PM

Yeah I like Scourge and G2 Optimus better for sure. Wheeljack is pretty much the same. Depends if you like the chest better on the United or not, and/or if you like the metallic green (though other changes may be present that we can't see at this point/don't know).

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:38 PM

These look awesome!
I especially like the added paint apps on Scourge and Wheeljack.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:44 PM

Here's a comparison of the Scourge's using the photo from http://www.tfwiki.net.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:48 PM

I personally like Generations Wheeljack more. The metallic green stripes don't look right to me, and I like the shape of Hasbro's striping pattern more. The way the green carries up from the sides over the roof in a more uniform manner actually looks more boring to me than how the Generations version's are arranged.

Scourge is a rather lateral move, although the full wing stripes are certainly nice.

Prime is definitely the most improved here.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:49 PM

Interesting how Scourge is actually a very light blue like the original toy and the G1 cartoon.

Here's the Wheeljack comparison.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:53 PM

And here's Prime with the photos from TFWiki.net again.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:59 PM

I'm really digging the more G1 cartoon scheme on Scourge, I didn't think they could do so besides pinker nails, but the white hands, stomach, and bluer facial hair do it. Also it appears they threw away trying to color the gun that looks like Fracas like Fracas and instead colored it like his original gun.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:04 PM

Don't like the metallic chest on Scourge. To me, it negates what little good the full stripes do (To me, both Scourges are rather pathetically plain in vehicle mode. SO the stripes don't wow me or annoy me, in the case of Hasbro's.).

United G2 Prime is definitely a big improvement...But I think I prefer the orange windows over the blue. Not sure if I'm willing to pay import prices for him...

Wheeljack, again, I don't care for the metallic paint. I mean, I like metallic paint, I just don't like how Wheeljack and Scourge use it. I think on Wheeljack I would have preferred for him to get the Tracks treatment and have all the white be a flaked pearl as his metallic paint.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:06 PM

undoubtibly they all look really nice, I've been anticipating seeing the pictures for a while now.
That being Said I think I'm gonna pass on them.
Seeing Scourge all shiny made me realize how he's gonna clash when paired up With Galvy & Cyclonus (and let's face it, that's where he's going to spend most of his time). I think he would look weird being the only one who's shiny like he's the most important of the trio icon-fire.gif I'm gonna stick with my Hasbro version there.

G2 Prime, I have G2 Prime, and I'll be honest, I like him a lot! And I think the Blue light piping is a neat touch, very "autobot", but I like the Orange Light Piping on the Hasbro version, It makes him "Pop" Visually, and it makes him look more powerful when he Glows (literally filled with Burning Justice icon-megs.gif ) Still... If the price was right... I wouldn't say no...

Wheeljack... Eh! paint scheme's not different enough to justify the Cost, Hasbro wins again!


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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:08 PM

Is it just me or are these (or at least Prime) photoshopped?

I dunno... the clear on Prime looks photoshopped. But I'm no expert.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:09 PM

My problem is I can't display United Scourge with C@C Cyclonus and Galvatron, but only with the Henkei versions, so my OCD disallows me to display my favorite versions of each figure together. icon-fire.gif icon-ball.gif icon-blitz.gif

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:10 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 15 2011, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it just me or are these (or at least Prime) photoshopped?

I dunno... the clear on Prime looks photoshopped. But I'm no expert.

Yeah, it's not an actual product photo at this point so that's natural. To me it looks painted or digitally altered over a flat color (not clear). Besides the windows that is.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:14 PM

But I was told in no uncertain terms that Takara's G2 Prime wouldn't have flames because they love us more!

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:21 PM

You were lied to! icon-fire.gif

What's surprising is the deco on Wheeljack's hood is very similar and based on the same design, but are different. Hasbro's is rounder and meets in the middle while TakaraTomy's is more rectangular and doesn't meet in the middle.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:22 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 15 2011, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it just me or are these (or at least Prime) photoshopped?

I dunno... the clear on Prime looks photoshopped. But I'm no expert.


Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what the final toy looks like, and how well his light piping works. So far I greatly prefer the Hasbro versions of all of these, but the Optimus has some potential.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:23 PM

Prime does look nicer with the blue taken away in vehicle mode, though it never bothered me before. I guess distribution being so bad saved me some money on that one. The other subtle detailing changes are nice, and maybe you'll actually be able to see the Matrix in his chest on this version.

I'll still get some Hasbro Scourges to use as Sweeps though. I think I might like Hasbro's Wheeljack better, because I like his shade of green and the stripe pattern on the chest more. I'm a sucker for painted car detailing though, so we'll see how that goes.

Who wants to place bets on what shades of white the two versions will use on Wheeljack? icon-arcee.gif

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:26 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 15 2011, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But I was told in no uncertain terms that Takara's G2 Prime wouldn't have flames because they love us more!

It might still.... These are just shoopdawhooped and suchlike.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 




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