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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 11:09 AM)

Mayhem is, somewhat ironically, one of the least random parts of the board. I really don't know how that happened.


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#21 Blueshift

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 03:03 PM

Damn Walky, that does look nice!

#22 Monzo

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 10:07 AM

Excellent work, Walky!

By the way, everyone - since my original post, more Jose Delbo artwork has gone up on Heritage Auctions. The pages are less Transformer-heavy than the original one I tossed up, but here they are anywho:

http://obscuretf.com.....2042 Page.jpg

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The inking on that Starscream/Ratbat panel is surprisingly good - oh, ah-ha. "The Flames of Boltax" was inked by Danny Bulanadi, not Dave Hunt. That would explain it.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 06:38 AM

Yeah, I love to see the old Marvel comics recolored properly. It makes me want whole comics recolored. I'd buy them. I think I may even say that Delbo's art colored like this is preferable to the modern IDW comics.

I just compared the actual comic panel to Walky's recolor. Its amazing how the details that get overlooked in the original stand out much more. Before, I just read the text in that panel and moved on, now there are things to look at and take in.

Edited by Bass X0, 24 February 2011 - 06:29 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 07:14 AM

Yeah these really make me wish I had ANY skill as a colorist. If I did I would totally recolor all these myself. I too wish IDW would recolor the whole series like this. I have every issue already and I'd buy that in a second.

ZacWilliam, le sigh...
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 03:15 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 24 2011, 04:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah these really make me wish I had ANY skill as a colorist. If I did I would totally recolor all these myself. I too wish IDW would recolor the whole series like this. I have every issue already and I'd buy that in a second.

ZacWilliam, le sigh...



pretty sure its been brought up to IDW before!

and its not that they're against the idea [they've re-colored a LOT of classic Doctor Who comics for instance]


its just finding the B&W art to do it!
which is pretty rare/difficult i gather

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 08:35 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 17 2011, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had time to do the first panel. Well, okay, I didn't, but I did it anyway.

Yeah that looks awesome!

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE(God Fire Convoy @ Feb 25 2011, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 24 2011, 04:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah these really make me wish I had ANY skill as a colorist. If I did I would totally recolor all these myself. I too wish IDW would recolor the whole series like this. I have every issue already and I'd buy that in a second.

ZacWilliam, le sigh...



pretty sure its been brought up to IDW before!

and its not that they're against the idea [they've re-colored a LOT of classic Doctor Who comics for instance]


its just finding the B&W art to do it!
which is pretty rare/difficult i gather


It's not possible to generate new black-and-white art from the existing colour proofs? I know something like this was done to allow The Killing Joke to be recoloured.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 04:42 PM

Yeah there are a few ways that I can think of. This is just a quick Posterize -> Copy paste the lines to a new layer.



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But ultimately you probably need to use all tricks (like a threshold to get the lines deep in darkness) and some restoration to get the best quality lineart.

Now I didn't check how well this worked with a high res scan of a flats colored oldschool book. In the end I guess it depends if its worth the cost to the publisher.

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 05:31 PM

More Delbo pages!

http://obscuretf.com.....2049 Page.jpg

Powermaster Optimus Prime! Fort Max! Blaster!

http://obscuretf.com.....0Pages 02.jpg

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 06:04 PM

Now those are some cool pages! Tha "Boat Max" page was always memorable for me because he pretty much never TFed in the comic. And the rest have a great line-up of Comic major characters of the time.

Quick, someone kidnap Walky and get him to color in these too!


ZacWilliam, who else around here colors well? We need a longer list of folks to kidnap and force to do art!


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Posted 28 February 2011 - 07:55 PM

Man, these are so much better to look at without Yomtov's horrendous and lazy coloring.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 28 February 2011 - 08:02 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 28 2011, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(God Fire Convoy @ Feb 25 2011, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 24 2011, 04:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah these really make me wish I had ANY skill as a colorist. If I did I would totally recolor all these myself. I too wish IDW would recolor the whole series like this. I have every issue already and I'd buy that in a second.

ZacWilliam, le sigh...



pretty sure its been brought up to IDW before!

and its not that they're against the idea [they've re-colored a LOT of classic Doctor Who comics for instance]


its just finding the B&W art to do it!
which is pretty rare/difficult i gather


It's not possible to generate new black-and-white art from the existing colour proofs? I know something like this was done to allow The Killing Joke to be recoloured.
--Andrew S.



its definitely possible, but I think "not worth the work" is the reason for not pursuing something like this

IDW's main concern are their own titles and to dedicate the time and resources to restoring somebody else's comics [not to mention old comics] isnt as financially viable. [they were even leary about even just re-printing the old stuff as well IIRC]

IDW's still a business and I think i'd agree with the call. I dont think the pay off would be substantial enough to warrant such a project, unfortunately






and if anyones interested i'll color one or part of these and livestream it!

might be kinda neat

even if you dont make it to watch it live it'll still be up on my livestream page and you can watch it after the fact. i'll probably only have the time from around 3-5 AM PST so i dont expect many people to make that lol

but still!

Edited by God Fire Convoy, 28 February 2011 - 08:28 PM.


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#33 Monzo

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 09:00 AM

I don't know what your livestream is?

You could just post it in the thread.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 10:02 AM

Woot! I loved this version of Pointblank's head, with the Blurr-like crest on the helmet. His Max looks great as well. Though if it wasn't for the internet, I'd have never guessed where Fort Max's tower goes in his robot mode (his sides), never having seen the toy as a kid.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 10:36 AM

QUOTE(Monzo @ Mar 1 2011, 06:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know what your livestream is?

You could just post it in the thread.



i dont have any of these pages done yet but my livestream page is http://www.livestream.com/dcjosh


ive also got a couple lower res geoff senior pages i been wanting to do too. maybe ill crack one of those up there as well




feel free to watch the Batman one i have up there though!
Scott Williams [Jim Lee's inker] drew that up and i spent an hour coloring it. gettin back in the groove. good times!

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 11:27 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 28 2011, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, these are so much better to look at without Yomtov's horrendous and lazy coloring.


Spoken like a guy who didn't have to handpaint dozens of robots using a limited palette 20 years ago. Us digital folks have it easy.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 11:38 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Mar 1 2011, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 28 2011, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, these are so much better to look at without Yomtov's horrendous and lazy coloring.


Spoken like a guy who didn't have to handpaint dozens of robots using a limited palette 20 years ago. Us digital folks have it easy.



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Coloring then and coloring now are such completely different animals, you can't even compare the two.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Mar 1 2011, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 28 2011, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, these are so much better to look at without Yomtov's horrendous and lazy coloring.


Spoken like a guy who didn't have to handpaint dozens of robots using a limited palette 20 years ago. Us digital folks have it easy.

So what's his excuse for being so horrible with GIJoe while most of the other colorists on that title kept a good grip on who's who with limited block coloring, even though Joes looked even more alike than Transformers do?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:10 PM

I would have to know what you're talking about to respond to your accusations directly, but I'm pretty confident that any claim of "laziness" is really friggin' difficult to support. You don't know his schedule and you don't know the context of his work.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Mar 1 2011, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 28 2011, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, these are so much better to look at without Yomtov's horrendous and lazy coloring.


Spoken like a guy who didn't have to handpaint dozens of robots using a limited palette 20 years ago. Us digital folks have it easy.


I'd go as far as to say "Spoken like a guy who read 20 different Marvel titles of that era and none of them looked as terrible as Yomtov's despite being used with the same tools"

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