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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#81 TM2-Megatron

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 12:19 AM

Gimmick, if I ever heard one. I wish they'd focus on making a quality movie, instead of 2 movies simultaneously to further pimp Zekrom and Reshiram. Movies 10 and 11 were the best of the series; I wish they'd try to recapture the feel of those.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 12:23 AM

is that Acerus and Darkrai movies?

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 12:29 AM

10 is Darkrai vs. Dialga vs. Palkia, and 11 is Giratina. Arceus was 12, and not quite as good as the preceeding two, IMO.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 12:40 AM

All I have seen is the Arceus one and it wasn't too bad. I heard terrible things about the last one that came out

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 01:42 AM

QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Feb 13 2011, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I meant the overall feel, mostly. The Rockets, for example, are much more accurately portrayed in the B&W dub. A big gripe with fans of the original Japanese is that TR isn't nearly as goofy as they've been portrayed in the dub.

Changes to names and places is relatively minor, compared to that.

I for one am surprised Team Rocket ninja'd away instead of sent "blasting off again". I was sick of Wobbufett anyway.

I understand that they nerf'd Pikachu but Ash was dumber than he'd been in a long time. "I'm just going to throw Pokeballs and hope to catch something. I'm not gonna bother fighting them and lower their defenses like I've done countless times in 4+ regions!" -______-

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 02:23 AM

QUOTE(Confuzor @ Feb 13 2011, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Feb 13 2011, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I meant the overall feel, mostly. The Rockets, for example, are much more accurately portrayed in the B&W dub. A big gripe with fans of the original Japanese is that TR isn't nearly as goofy as they've been portrayed in the dub.

Changes to names and places is relatively minor, compared to that.

I for one am surprised Team Rocket ninja'd away instead of sent "blasting off again". I was sick of Wobbufett anyway.

I understand that they nerf'd Pikachu but Ash was dumber than he'd been in a long time. "I'm just going to throw Pokeballs and hope to catch something. I'm not gonna bother fighting them and lower their defenses like I've done countless times in 4+ regions!" -______-


Ya that was a definite low point of today's episode. Ash was just such a bonehead going about trying to catch the most common bird in the region. And really Pikachu needs to be nerf'd some. Guys been uber powered for so long. Sure he's not unbeatable but when he goes against type that should hand his butt to him and win it kinda irks me.
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 06:49 PM

Soooooo, I'm stuck. My HM slaves are gone. I have no new areas to catch a new one. I'd planned to go back to Jubilife and catch something on the way to Canalave, and failing that I was going to revive a Cranidos and power level it up to a Rampardos (they can learn cut strength and surf). But I'm in Eterna City and I can't get out. So what do I do? Use one of my dead ones to get me out and rebox it? Or call it quits?
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:34 PM

I'll give this nuzlocke challenge a try, not sure which version I'll try it on yet.

After clicking on TM2-Meg's even link, I had totally forgotten that Ash's Pikachu was even on... and is now over. Did anyone happen to get a spare one they can donate?


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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:38 PM

QUOTE(SoS @ Feb 13 2011, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll give this nuzlocke challenge a try, not sure which version I'll try it on yet.

After clicking on TM2-Meg's even link, I had totally forgotten that Ash's Pikachu was even on... and is now over. Did anyone happen to get a spare one they can donate?


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The Canadian version of this event is still going on (it started later, on the 9th, and is continuing 'til the 20th). I'm planning to drop by a TRU on my home tomorrow evening, so hopefully I'll be able to get 3; one on each of my games.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(SoS @ Feb 13 2011, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll give this nuzlocke challenge a try, not sure which version I'll try it on yet.

After clicking on TM2-Meg's even link, I had totally forgotten that Ash's Pikachu was even on... and is now over. Did anyone happen to get a spare one they can donate?


--SoS


The Canadian version of this event is still going on (it started later, on the 9th, and is continuing 'til the 20th). I'm planning to drop by a TRU on my home tomorrow evening, so hopefully I'll be able to get 3; one on each of my games.

Awesome!

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:50 PM

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Soooooo, I'm stuck. My HM slaves are gone. I have no new areas to catch a new one. I'd planned to go back to Jubilife and catch something on the way to Canalave, and failing that I was going to revive a Cranidos and power level it up to a Rampardos (they can learn cut strength and surf). But I'm in Eterna City and I can't get out. So what do I do? Use one of my dead ones to get me out and rebox it? Or call it quits?


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Posted 15 February 2011 - 08:16 PM

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 09:29 PM

True, but its a free, official flash game that sounds like it'll be a beta test. Its a step in the right direction at least. I'd encourage everyone to support it: it won't do much for veteran players unless they are like me and just needing something that amounts to "TCG Exercise". If its popular and seems like its generating more interest in the game, it'll be worth TPC/Nintendo investing more money in. Given all the unofficial ways to play, I can see the logic in ignoring it or pursuing it: handled right and it will be useful, but blow it and its a waste of resources.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:41 AM

Well, for the first time in a while I've actually pre-ordered a videogame. Normally I don't bother, but Futureshop had a special online price where you got $5 off when ordering Black or White, so I'll be getting White for only $29.95. Tbh, I prefer that to some cheap pre-order bonus like wall clings or whatever else some other stores are giving away with these games.

What am I gonna do with wall clings, honestly?

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 02:02 AM

I get a DSi case..well 2 of them since I preordered white and black. not like I'm going to carry my DS in one icon-waspy.gif since I have an XL >.>

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:00 AM

I like the little mini-figures Game Stop was giving away with HGSS and Platinum. I still have Lugia and Giratina on my TV.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:45 PM

That wasn't just GameStop. Walmart and Best Buy offered the Lugia and Ho-Oh figs with SS/HG (Walmart also threw a Pok?walker cover in their offering) and Best Buy had Giratina as well for Platinum (little fuzzy as regards Walmart, there).

Japan had an Arceus figurine if you preordered both HG & SS, but over here, that fig was just stuffed into a TCG giftset.

(Probably it'll turn out that Walmart and Best Buy will do the wall clings, too.)
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:48 PM

I wish we'd got the figures for HGSS, it'd be nice to have a Lugia next to my Giratina. I have no idea if we're getting the wall clings for B/W, but then again I don't care in the slightest, so... eh.
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Posted 19 February 2011 - 03:06 PM

I have the Lugia figure, it's a really nice sculpt for something that was technically free.
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Posted 21 February 2011 - 12:57 AM

so like...I got Entei last night right before he went away off the wireless. so I was wondering.. >.> can anyone give me a Celebi (event version) and a Shiney Raikou? I forgot how to use sendpkm on my laptop XD. and I remember some people here were offering pokes on line before >.> *stares at TM2*



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