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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#4621 TM2 Dinobot

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 11:35 AM

SOMEONE GET ME ONE OF THESE!!!

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:03 PM

Yes! I am going to SDCC, so woot!

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:15 PM

That exclusive poster is awesome! I won't be going to comic con, though. So Thank Celestia For Downloads!
I've never been to any cons, for that matter. I've never been much for insanely large crowds of people.

Looking at that awesome poster, did anypony else notice that Twilight is in there twice! She's also in the hot air balloon in the far off distance. Something else is in the balloon with her, but I can't tell if it's Spike or not.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE(Guardian Prime @ Jul 20 2011, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looking at that awesome poster, did anypony else notice that Twilight is in there twice! She's also in the hot air balloon in the far off distance. Something else is in the balloon with her, but I can't tell if it's Spike or not.


That isn't Twilight in the Balloon. I tried to get every fan favorite in there, I thought I had too...it wasn't until after the finished version was sent to Hasbro that I realized that I forgot Caramel in the poster. I omitted the big dragons and the ursas due to size and composition restraints (there's only so much room in the poster).

#4625 Guardian Prime

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Jul 20 2011, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That isn't Twilight in the Balloon. I tried to get every fan favorite in there, I thought I had too...it wasn't until after the finished version was sent to Hasbro that I realized that I forgot Caramel in the poster. I omitted the big dragons and the ursas due to size and composition restraints (there's only so much room in the poster).


Ah, Okie Dokie Loki. I had noticed something was in the basket of the balloon. So I zoomed in on the image and had seen a little purple figure in the basket. It's blurry, but shaped like a pony and so I thought it was twilight. So what is in the basket? Something is obviously there.


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:41 PM

QUOTE(Guardian Prime @ Jul 20 2011, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nayuki @ Jul 20 2011, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That isn't Twilight in the Balloon. I tried to get every fan favorite in there, I thought I had too...it wasn't until after the finished version was sent to Hasbro that I realized that I forgot Caramel in the poster. I omitted the big dragons and the ursas due to size and composition restraints (there's only so much room in the poster).


Ah, Okie Dokie Loki. I had noticed something was in the basket of the balloon. So I zoomed in on the image and had seen a little purple figure in the basket. It's blurry, but shaped like a pony and so I thought it was twilight. So what is in the basket? Something is obviously there.


There are 2 ponies in the basket. 1 is a background pony with aviator goggles added on for fun.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:04 PM

Awesome poster! I especially like Lily, Daisy and Roseluck looking terrified at the Cockatrice.

And I've only just noticed the "guests" from Gummy's after birthday party icon-fire.gif

I can't make out who's in the balloon though...

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:06 PM

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Any chance for original PNG? Of course current one will be vectored, and not once, but... original is original, ya'now.

Also, now we have official Vinyl Scratch coat color reference icon-bee.gif

Edited by Kein, 20 July 2011 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:13 PM

QUOTE(Kein @ Jul 20 2011, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nayuki
Any chance for original PNG? Of course current one will be vectored, and not once, but... original is original. ya'now.

Also, now we have official Vinyl Scratch coat color reference


Sorry, but nope. You guys will have to make do. I'd get in trouble if I handed out the original file, and besides, it wouldn't be a very exclusive comic con poster if I did that.

As for Scratch, I posted her hexadecimal color code for her coat earlier in this thread (that was months ago...).

Edited by Nayuki, 20 July 2011 - 01:15 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:30 PM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Jul 20 2011, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, but nope. You guys will have to make do. I'd get in trouble if I handed out the original file, and besides, it wouldn't be a very exclusive comic con poster if I did that.

Ah, yes, makes sense.
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As for Scratch, I posted her hexadecimal color code for her coat earlier in this thread (that was months ago...).

Yes, but even after that only few people knew about this, mostly local inhabitants. Now almost everyone is aware about.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:33 PM

Is there any significance to Dr Whooves being the only one facing away?
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:39 PM

I'm kinda surprised Derpy didn't get a front row seat. icon-fire.gif

Awesome poster. Wish I was going to Comicon.



Wish I had the guts to hang it on my wall even if I went to Comicon. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:49 PM

Five bucks says some brony will probably scan it high-res anyway.
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:58 PM

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I'm kinda surprised Derpy didn't get a front row seat. icon-fire.gif


I wanted people to look for Derpy, kinda like Where's Waldo.

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Is there any significance to Dr Whooves being the only one facing away?


Nope. Since he's popular they wanted to make sure you could see his cutie mark.

#4635 Guardian Prime

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 02:04 PM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Jul 20 2011, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Guardian Prime @ Jul 20 2011, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what is in the basket? Something is obviously there.

There are 2 ponies in the basket. 1 is a background pony with aviator goggles added on for fun.

How large is the actual poster? I've never seen a comic con poster in person. I imagine it's really huge in order to see the characters in the basket. Not knowing who those two characters are in the download is driving me nuts.

Do you know if those two ponies have names? It might make it easier for those of us that can only have the download to place a face on the characters in the basket.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 02:06 PM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Jul 20 2011, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Jul 20 2011, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm kinda surprised Derpy didn't get a front row seat. icon-fire.gif


I wanted people to look for Derpy, kinda like Where's Waldo.


That was one of the first things I did when I saw the picture.

Also, is Rainbow Dash creeping up on Gummy?

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 02:07 PM

Wish I were able to go and get one of those, myself.

EDIT: And I really like how Rose, Daisy and Lily are all freaking out over the Cockatrice who's popped up in front of them, lol. Poor girls never get a break.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 20 July 2011 - 02:23 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 02:28 PM

It was only a matter of time...
http://ponibooru.413...post/view/36895

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Also, this is what really made my day:


Such expression just cracks me up icon-bee.gif

Edited by Kein, 20 July 2011 - 02:37 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 02:32 PM

Hopefully one of my agents at sdcc (yes, I have agents...deal with it) can snag me one


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 04:04 PM

QUOTE(Guardian Prime @ Jul 20 2011, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How large is the actual poster? I've never seen a comic con poster in person. I imagine it's really huge in order to see the characters in the basket. Not knowing who those two characters are in the download is driving me nuts.

Do you know if those two ponies have names? It might make it easier for those of us that can only have the download to place a face on the characters in the basket.


I'm not 100% sure, but I think the poster is around 11x17inches. It should be small enough that you still can't make out the ponies in the balloon (which is intentional).

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It was only a matter of time...
http://ponibooru.413...post/view/36895


Wow. Only Lyra x Bonbon was intentional there. Pretty cool though.




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