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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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#2101 TM2-Megatron

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:12 PM

All will be revealed in the next 2-3 months, anyway; at least all about Season 1, lol. Even Lauren Faust can't give out too much future info, judging by her dA. I think the most she's ever really said is hinting at stuff that may happen in the next week or two's worth of episodes. She hinted at Sweetie Belle's introduction shortly before Call of the Cutie, for instance; and also mentioned not long ago that we'd be seeing some of the parents of the main cast sometime soon.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE(PhantomFox @ Mar 9 2011, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Part of me wants to grill you for info, but I know A) You won't tell us anything you're not supposed to and B) that wouldn't be very nice of us.


^Pretty much this.

I have noticed some other pony employees spread out amongst the other sites and forums, and I couldn't leave you guys out.

I'm one of the Studio B crew.


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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:16 PM

lol, that's a great pose for Lyra. Out of a background shot from Fall Weather Friends, IIRC.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 09 March 2011 - 06:16 PM.


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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 9 2011, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol, that's a great pose for Lyra. Out of a background shot from Fall Weather Friends, IIRC.


Of course it is. I'm the one who put it in. Most of the silly Lyra stuff is stuff I posed out for the animators. She is my go to pony for silly stuff.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Mar 9 2011, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was watching Dress For success last nite, and it still hits me a bit muddled. The problem is at the start, with the dresses Rarity makes for everyone....they don't like them.

We eventually get the "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" moral, but again, they didn't like them. It's like if you got an ugly sweater for christmas, and then was expected to wear it in public....or were given inedible cupcakes to eat, and were told to swallow them because they're a gift and that's what you're supposed to do.


Did you actually see what the other ponies ended up having her make?

Only Rainbow Dash's looked good out of the group. And that was mainly because she mainly stayed out of Rarity's way in the redesign.

Twilight Sparkle's and Applejack's could have easily been saved with some tweets if they had let Rainbow Dash go out there on her own first instead of all going at once.

Fluttershy's needed some work need to get but was just barely saveable.

Pinky Pie's however just plain needed to go period as there was nothing to save there.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE(Nayuki @ Mar 9 2011, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 9 2011, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol, that's a great pose for Lyra. Out of a background shot from Fall Weather Friends, IIRC.


Of course it is. I'm the one who put it in. Most of the silly Lyra stuff is stuff I posed out for the animators. She is my go to pony for silly stuff.


Even in the aired HD versions of the episode, it doesn't seem quite possible to make out the symbol on her drink, but your version looks to be clearer and it seems to be wheat. I take it she's drinking a wheat shake or something, lol.

QUOTE(invinible @ Mar 9 2011, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fluttershy's needed some work need to get but was just barely saveable.


I dunno if hers was salvageable. I mean, she was wearing a bird's nest with eggs in it for a hat. Whether the eggs were real or fake is mostly immaterial; either way it's ridiculous, lol. I thought Fluttershy's was perhaps the worst out of all their "custom" dresses, which is a bit funny given her great technical knowledge.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE(invinible @ Mar 9 2011, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Mar 9 2011, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was watching Dress For success last nite, and it still hits me a bit muddled. The problem is at the start, with the dresses Rarity makes for everyone....they don't like them.

We eventually get the "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" moral, but again, they didn't like them. It's like if you got an ugly sweater for christmas, and then was expected to wear it in public....or were given inedible cupcakes to eat, and were told to swallow them because they're a gift and that's what you're supposed to do.


Did you actually see what the other ponies ended up having her make?



See..that's irrelevant. That goes to the "if you try to please everypony, you'll please nopony" moral. But whether Rarity's first gowns are "good" or not is a matter of fashion tastes (We're told by Hoity Toity that they're excellent...compare to "high fashion" on Paris runways--"excelence" is often ridiculous).

The story turns into a story about artists compromising their visions, but from the start point it goes into a "dealing with unwanted gifts" story (like an uncle sweater from grandma at XMas) or even a be true to yourself/don't conform to fashion trends story.


QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 9 2011, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(invinible @ Mar 9 2011, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fluttershy's needed some work need to get but was just barely saveable.


I dunno if hers was salvageable. I mean, she was wearing a bird's nest with eggs in it for a hat. Whether the eggs were real or fake is mostly immaterial; either way it's ridiculous, lol. I thought Fluttershy's was perhaps the worst out of all their "custom" dresses, which is a bit funny given her great technical knowledge.


Hers kinda proves my point about the "quality" of the dresses...Fluttershy's, as copying "French Haute Couture" is representative of "high fashion"...at one point that was the wows of the fashion world, only to be ridiculous later.

Edited by Scavgraphics, 09 March 2011 - 06:56 PM.


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Posted 09 March 2011 - 06:58 PM

QUOTE(Guardian Prime @ Mar 9 2011, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So now we're getting some of the MLP FiM people who actually work on the show coming into the Allspark! icon-bee.gif
This is getting better and better. icon-hotrod.gif Only one word can describe this.............


We will take the lead in fandom...as I said before...what else is Twilight Sparkle's cutie mark if not an AllSpark?

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Mar 9 2011, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We will take the lead in fandom...as I said before...what else is Twilight Sparkle's cutie mark if not an AllSpark?


And.....on that note...

I had made this and put it in the pony-ture thread sometime ago. But, since we're on the subject, I decided to bring it here. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 08:00 PM

From Swarm of the Century:

http://www.ponychan....29968938632.png

Look familiar? icon-arcee.gif

Edited by PhantomFox, 09 March 2011 - 08:01 PM.


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Posted 09 March 2011 - 08:04 PM

So Swarm definitely takes place after Suited for Success. Rarity is probably storing the dresses for the others until the Gala.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 08:19 PM

MIND. BLOWN.
I LOVE EVERYPONY!

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 08:44 PM

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 09:09 PM

My mind has exploded.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 09:11 PM

First off:


QUOTE(Nayuki @ Mar 9 2011, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 9 2011, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's pretty cool, actually. I'd love to have a pony version of myself appear as a background character in the show, lol. If I were an animator on it, I doubt I'd be able to resist doing so.


I've managed to resist so far. Besides, I wouldn't be a very attractive looking pony anyway.

So then Lyra isn't the embodiment of how you'd act if you were a pony,
not counting how everyone pairs her up with Bonbon.


Did we establish whether Suited came after or before 'Look before you sleep'?
Because Rarity's line about Applejack, 'got to mind those intimate details,
even though she's more concerned with sales' has been bugging me.


Finally:


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Posted 09 March 2011 - 09:35 PM

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So then Lyra isn't the embodiment of how you'd act if you were a pony,
not counting how everyone pairs her up with Bonbon.


My horrible slouching habit may have worked it's way into the bench scene... really I just like to add something silly into crowd scenes when I have time. Of course, everything still needs approval from supervisors/directors/hasbro/etc, so we never add anything outrageous.

The Lyra/Bonbon pairing I'd say is mostly coincidental. When setting up a crowd scene I tend to place ponies next to each other based on their colors as well as the colors of the surroundings. You want the colors to compliment each other but also not draw attention away from the focus of the scene. Lyra/Bonbon look good next to each other, which is why it just seems to happen most of the time. I do like how it's played out amongst the fans (I can kinda see them as being best friends).

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 09:51 PM

They certainly make an amusing pair in comics. Lyra's coloring is probably one of my favorites among the background ponies, along with Rose.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 10:57 PM

@Nayuki
So, the question on everypony's mind:


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Posted 09 March 2011 - 11:16 PM

More importantly, Nayuki, can you give us a proper episode timeline once the season has fully aired?
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Posted 09 March 2011 - 11:19 PM

That's the other thing I was gonna ask,
but then the browser went all weird on me
and lost what I typed.


Even a timeline of current episodes would me nice.




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