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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#61 Detour

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 09:44 AM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 4 2011, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(FloroDery @ Feb 4 2011, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The mold itself looks beautiful, but I just don't think it fits Blurr. I like when the design itself fits the character's power/function and a sleeker athletic robot mode + car would be a much better Blurr if you ask me.


Since it was you who created the character - I always wondered, was the 7-shaped antenna on his helmet inspired by the lighting-bolt "antenna" the Flash wears on his costume's ears?

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Wow.

The account name is a joke, you are aware, yes?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 04 February 2011 - 09:57 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 4 2011, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 4 2011, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(FloroDery @ Feb 4 2011, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The mold itself looks beautiful, but I just don't think it fits Blurr. I like when the design itself fits the character's power/function and a sleeker athletic robot mode + car would be a much better Blurr if you ask me.


Since it was you who created the character - I always wondered, was the 7-shaped antenna on his helmet inspired by the lighting-bolt "antenna" the Flash wears on his costume's ears?

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Wow.

The account name is a joke, you are aware, yes?


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Posted 04 February 2011 - 09:59 AM

I love him and think he's great. He's pretty perfect and one of my favorite Generations molds.

And as far as small retool, sure his head and spoiler don't amount to much, but the two pistols and giant sniper rifle are among the most extensive retools we've received. I mean how often do we get new weapons for a retool? Hardly ever! icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 10:52 AM

Yeah, off the top of my head, all I can think of recently that got a new weapon with its retool are Movie Evac and that first ROTF Bumblebee.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 11:15 AM

Well, we COULD point out Recon Ironhide, but that was a couple of years and three or four other redecos since the original.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 11:15 AM

Ramjet?

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 11:30 AM

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And I have to say...he really doesn't do it for me as a stand-in. Blurr was a sleek cybertronian sportscar. This Blurr is burly. He's clunky. Other than the head and the color, what really identifies him in a significant way to the G1 figure? Nothing that I can much see.


Nobody looks like Drift does. Yet Drift still had to be repainted. Head and color is the only thing that would identify whoever was the repaint if it wasn't Blurr.

Still, when a character reformats their Cybertronian mode into an Earth mode, you expect there to be changes.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:30 PM

No sir, I don't like it. Had we never seen nimated Blurr, I think I may have been ok with him (though the head still kills me) but after that beautiful, sleek sculpt Blift looks too chunky and chinny.
 
 
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 01:10 PM

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But as of now...does this Blurr do it for you as an adequate homage fitting in with the rest of the CHUG(or whatever you may call the amalgamation of G1 homages) figures on your shelf?

No. I don't like the mold anyway, and was massively shocked at how bad it was when I got it as it got so much praise, but for Blurr it is even worse.
I'm also not a fan of the head. It doesn't remind me of G1 Blurr and I'm not a fan of IDW so it's just got no appeal to me.

Instead I prefer Animated Blurr. He reminds me of G1 Blurr and whilst I don't think his proportions clash with Classics personally, any issues people have can be easily passed off as his tech spec heritage.
Plus it looks great next to MP Rodimus.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 01:35 PM

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I guess it works, but Drift's a cooler character so I'd prefer his toy.




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Posted 04 February 2011 - 01:45 PM

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I guess it works, but Drift's a cooler character so I'd prefer his toy.



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He probably meant "looks cooler".

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 04 February 2011 - 02:11 PM

No. Not that I ever really liked the powder-blue moviebot. All he really had going for him was one of the best Cybertronian vehicles modes of the era ever. Which the Drift car isn't. Also?no shield.

Edited by Starfield, 04 February 2011 - 02:19 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2011 - 02:20 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Feb 4 2011, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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QUOTE(Never Give Up! @ Feb 4 2011, 05:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess it works, but Drift's a cooler character so I'd prefer his toy.



[trollface]

He probably meant "looks cooler".


I'm pretty sure she said character and meant it, unfortunately.
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 4 2011, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(FloroDery @ Feb 4 2011, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The mold itself looks beautiful, but I just don't think it fits Blurr. I like when the design itself fits the character's power/function and a sleeker athletic robot mode + car would be a much better Blurr if you ask me.


Since it was you who created the character - I always wondered, was the 7-shaped antenna on his helmet inspired by the lighting-bolt "antenna" the Flash wears on his costume's ears?

Wow.

The account name is a joke, you are aware, yes?


Someone from another board led me to believe he was THE Floro Dery. And... why not? I mean, I met Simon Furman on a message board once. Weirder things have happened.

But thanks for clearing that up... icon-hotrod.gif (Now excuse me, I have to go slap that misinformant silly)

Edited by BB Shockwave, 04 February 2011 - 02:34 PM.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 02:40 PM

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Someone from another board led me to believe he was THE Floro Dery. And... why not? I mean, I met Simon Furman on a message board once. Weirder things have happened.

But thanks for clearing that up... icon-hotrod.gif (Now excuse me, I have to go slap that misinformant silly)

When Floro Dery visits message boards, it tends to be under fake names, while decrying people for dimishing Floro's many magnificent contributions to the Transformers mythos and daring to suggest someone came up with the concept of a transforming planet before he did.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 03:50 PM

I was never a big fan of the character (if fact I hated him and he annoyed the living jive out of me) in G1. But he grew on me in Animated, and the TFA toy of him sort of depicts him as he should be. Unfortunately, that toy sucked.

Now this Blurr harkens back to the original by being designed after the IDW version and referencing Animated Blurr in the bio.... me very likey; it takes the best of each Blurr and puts it in one toy. And me very likey even more after reading some of this thread. icon-hotrod.gif
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 03:51 PM

Works just fine for me!

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 03:54 PM

I'm more then satisfied, even if the head sculpt is rather odd (Not reading IDW and all that).

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 05:22 PM

Like many others, I like the toy, but don't like the new head. It just doesn't have that Blurr look to it. I did pick it up though, in the hopes that there will be a third party head created for it to make it look more like the G1 head.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 05:39 PM

A *good* G1-ish style third party replacement head would probably satisfy me with the current Blurr mold.

QUOTE(JazzMeister14 @ Feb 4 2011, 04:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hiding the hip armor around the back looks pretty cool! Can you still put the rifle on the back when it's like that, and if you point his shoulder armor up does it get in the way? If it isn't a bother could someone put a picture of the hip armor around the back and his shoulder armor pointed up. I'd check, but I'm studying abroad right now and don't have my collection at the moment. (I did, however, find my holy grail TM2 Blackarachnia, whom I have never seen during my childhood icon-silverbolt.gif)


Putting the hip armor around the back doesn't hinder the rifle being placed there at all. There's a perfectly sized space for it still there. Using that configuration hinders lateral shoulder movement, although you'll get some of that back if you point the shoulder armor up. Here's some more pics:









And with the shoulder armor pointing up like some people like to use:









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