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@  Whirl Maximus : (29 July 2016 - 01:20 PM)

IDW G1 has been a victim of it's own success.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.


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#1 Exillion

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 01:20 PM

Topic speaks for itself: while this year's theme is cool, I rather spend the money on retail toys and saving up for Comic Con this year (if they ever get registration up again).

However, I had planned and saved to go to the convention this year, but I am considering three options: (1) not go as the toys are always the pull for me; (2) get the non-toy package (i.e. no dinner, etc.) or (3) get the full Primus package, but sell the main toy set on Ebay, knowing that I have never sold anything off Ebay before.

I guess my question is what are your opinions about Botcon. Is it worth going if what money I am still able to save on toys I get while still retail and the main collector's set is not a real pull for me this year?

I have only been to one other Botcon, and that was for a day, so I haven't really experienced Botcon in its grandeur. Any advice is helpful, because I need to start making arrangements with my office that I will be gone on those days.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 02:50 PM

Yes. If the toys are the only reason for going, then you need to make some friends icon-hotrod.gif. Room with some people on the boards - the fun begins then!

Even from a purely financial standpoint - popular set or not, you could turn around and resell the set really quickly (even to dealers at the show, or on the "for sale" board in the hotel, screw eBay), for, at minimum, what you paid. But you'll probably be able to come out ahead. So you get BotCon for just the cost of hotel, travel, and food.

Never, ever, buy the non-toy package. Horrible idea.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 04:58 PM


I disagree about the non-toy package, precisely because I have enough friends who go to BC and I've dialed down my collecting interests enough that it means more to me to be at the event longer and have total panel access than it does to get all the toys all the time. At BC08 I paid like $150 to get to go to every panel, didn't get the toys I didn't want in the first place, and thought it was a fine experience.

There are some people who just don't want to deal with the hassle of standing on line to pick up toys they don't want and then re-selling and shipping those same toys they didn't want. If the whole point is to experience the event itself, you are now throwing other considerations and time-wasters in your own way.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 05:31 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jan 29 2011, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree about the non-toy package, precisely because I have enough friends who go to BC and I've dialed down my collecting interests enough that it means more to me to be at the event longer and have total panel access than it does to get all the toys all the time. At BC08 I paid like $150 to get to go to every panel, didn't get the toys I didn't want in the first place, and thought it was a fine experience.

There are some people who just don't want to deal with the hassle of standing on line to pick up toys they don't want and then re-selling and shipping those same toys they didn't want. If the whole point is to experience the event itself, you are now throwing other considerations and time-wasters in your own way.


There's only a horrible line if you just HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT NOW OMG. You can show up the next day, or really late on pick-up night, without much, if any line. Then you walk into the dealer room, go to almost any of the big dealers, and especially if you throw in the attendee freebie, and ask for what you paid. No standing in long lines, no shipping.

And while this depends on your circle of friends, but while the pick up line is, in general, horrid, I'm usually in line with friends, which makes the whole thing fun. And even the times when I'm not there with friends, usually you can at least make talking buddies with whoever is around you.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jan 29 2011, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree about the non-toy package, precisely because I have enough friends who go to BC and I've dialed down my collecting interests enough that it means more to me to be at the event longer and have total panel access than it does to get all the toys all the time. At BC08 I paid like $150 to get to go to every panel, didn't get the toys I didn't want in the first place, and thought it was a fine experience.

There are some people who just don't want to deal with the hassle of standing on line to pick up toys they don't want and then re-selling and shipping those same toys they didn't want. If the whole point is to experience the event itself, you are now throwing other considerations and time-wasters in your own way.

That's an awful lot of money thrown away just to get an extra day and/or avoid the hassle of re-selling and shipping the toys.

Seriously. Dont want the toys? Get the Primus package anyway. You'll pay so much less at the end of it all (assuming you don't turn a profit, which is easily possible), it's easily worth the hassle.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 07:18 PM

Yeah, I don't have any interest in collecting Animated anymore, but I still want to go because it's a fun trip and a chance to see people I only see once a year, if that. Pasadena was a really nice convention location, so that's an incentive to go back again. I'm probably either going to unload my toys at the convention, or just bring them home and sell them if the price would be a bit better that way.

I'm still really hoping that some of the souvenirs aren't Animated molds, but either way it lowers the convention costs quite a bit from what I usually invest, basically bringing it down to room cost, food (I like to eat out and try good places while I'm in other cities), and some spending money for BSing in the dealer room. I usually buy multiples of all the toys so I can be super picky for my own personal set, so this will make the trip cheaper by a ton, probably.

I'm trying very hard not to have sour grapes for the people excited for the set, because supposedly everyone's tastes are equal and deserve recognition, but it's just not for me. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 12:07 AM

If you don't like the toys, you can always resell them and pay for the trip. I only kept one of the at-show sets from 2008, but had a great time hanging out with people otherwise!

While the sets don't generally get *quite* the insane prices they used to, it's still worth getting and reselling if you're on the fence about going and worried about expenses.

(Yes, yes, I know, damn dirty scalpers and all...but aside from that, the math works.)

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 08:59 AM

I would consider the protoform package except that dinner was actually very fun and well done last year so I want to try it again. At this point I'm probably going to flip the set in the dealer hall and use the proceeds to buy Masterpiece Rodimus and effectively make him my personal convention exclusive

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 09:49 AM

QUOTE(Yertle @ Feb 1 2011, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would consider the protoform package except that dinner was actually very fun and well done last year so I want to try it again. At this point I'm probably going to flip the set in the dealer hall and use the proceeds to buy Masterpiece Rodimus and effectively make him my personal convention exclusive

That sounds like a decent plan.

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 11:11 PM

Last year's dinner was great, but I can't say I had a lot of fun at 2009's Paramount party. If it's offered again this year, I may have second thoughts about spending the fifty bucks or whatever.

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 11:48 PM

QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Feb 1 2011, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Last year's dinner was great, but I can't say a had a lot of fun at 2009's Paramount party. If it's offered again this year, I may have second thoughts about spending the fifty bucks or whatever.

I'd definitely pass. Glad to get my picture with Weird Al, but the rest was a waste of my time.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 12:01 AM

I got to meet Al, I enjoyed hanging around the Paramount lot in the dark, I liked the quick tour, and it was fun to see a few minutes of the movie and the appearances by Peter Cullen, Tyrese, Michael Bay and the "Autobots." The food was nothing special, and the concert I could've done without entirely.

I hope they don't do the same thing again this year, because it'd just be a rerun, but I liked it the first time.

As for going without the toys, I didn't love the toys in 2009, and I'd just been laid off so I sure wasn't keeping anything I didn't love. I had a good time at the convention, and sold the exclusives. I didn't make a ton of bank, but I covered my admission, a few dealer-room purchases, and a couple of lunches. This year, since I'm not into Animated, I'll probably end up doing the same.

But I'm definitely going. It's just across town!

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 04:03 AM

This year's dinner will probably be a hall of fame as well. I could see them inducting Bay just to get him to make an appearance and screen some of the movie maybe (unless he's on a press junket or something). That would be awesome just for the outcry....

Still, I think going for the full package and then selling or trading the exclusives is the way to go. Dealers had a good experience the last time the convention was in LA, so I bet there will be lots there. Plus, it seems to be a popular box set this year, so unloading it to at least break even should be easy.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 12:46 PM

I had a lot of fun at 2009's, but once again, it was just the friends that made it fun. We sat around acting/dancing like idiots while singing along to Stan Bush.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:09 PM

Unless it's announced that there's going to be a fourth movie, I'd imagine this year is going to be the last truly ginormous Botcon. 2012 will see a return back to smaller venues and smaller attendance---not necessarily a bad thing.
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