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@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that continuity after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same continuity.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o

@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

DON'T TALK TO ME! DON'T TALK TO ME, CRIMINAL!

@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)

GRANMAMA DRINK YO PRUNE JUICE

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)

Who?

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:23 PM)

When someone stands next to say, Optimus Prime's leg it would just look like there's a large blue rectangle.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:21 PM)

In live-action, they would all look flat and underdetailed when they're supposed to be huge.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:32 PM)

I'm 90% sure they will be using more G1-ish designs in the reboot (if there'll be such a thing of course). They already used over-complicated movie designs, they'll return to G1.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:15 PM)

All I'm saying is when they reboot it, they might want to try something they never did in the screen and use G1-ish designs.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:57 PM)

Why? Would a classic G1 aesthetic make money?

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:38 PM)

I don't think that switching to G1 would "correct" anything.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:22 PM)

I actually believe they would switch to G1 because I feel like the next director would try to correct 'wrongs' of the older movies.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 02:15 PM)

Also, if they get to the point of completely rebooting the movies with an entirely different aesthetic I highly doubt they'd switch specifically to G1.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

A design alone doesn't say anything. The designs and the setting together are what TFWiki would deliberate upon.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

I know but a movie character would definitely gets his sub page because of the tie-ins, it would be far too long.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sub-pages are not done because of new franchises; they are done for length reasons.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

I mean if they look like this: http://www.allspark....-1471381025.jpg


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#1 Exillion

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 01:20 PM

Topic speaks for itself: while this year's theme is cool, I rather spend the money on retail toys and saving up for Comic Con this year (if they ever get registration up again).

However, I had planned and saved to go to the convention this year, but I am considering three options: (1) not go as the toys are always the pull for me; (2) get the non-toy package (i.e. no dinner, etc.) or (3) get the full Primus package, but sell the main toy set on Ebay, knowing that I have never sold anything off Ebay before.

I guess my question is what are your opinions about Botcon. Is it worth going if what money I am still able to save on toys I get while still retail and the main collector's set is not a real pull for me this year?

I have only been to one other Botcon, and that was for a day, so I haven't really experienced Botcon in its grandeur. Any advice is helpful, because I need to start making arrangements with my office that I will be gone on those days.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 02:50 PM

Yes. If the toys are the only reason for going, then you need to make some friends icon-hotrod.gif. Room with some people on the boards - the fun begins then!

Even from a purely financial standpoint - popular set or not, you could turn around and resell the set really quickly (even to dealers at the show, or on the "for sale" board in the hotel, screw eBay), for, at minimum, what you paid. But you'll probably be able to come out ahead. So you get BotCon for just the cost of hotel, travel, and food.

Never, ever, buy the non-toy package. Horrible idea.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 04:58 PM


I disagree about the non-toy package, precisely because I have enough friends who go to BC and I've dialed down my collecting interests enough that it means more to me to be at the event longer and have total panel access than it does to get all the toys all the time. At BC08 I paid like $150 to get to go to every panel, didn't get the toys I didn't want in the first place, and thought it was a fine experience.

There are some people who just don't want to deal with the hassle of standing on line to pick up toys they don't want and then re-selling and shipping those same toys they didn't want. If the whole point is to experience the event itself, you are now throwing other considerations and time-wasters in your own way.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 05:31 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jan 29 2011, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree about the non-toy package, precisely because I have enough friends who go to BC and I've dialed down my collecting interests enough that it means more to me to be at the event longer and have total panel access than it does to get all the toys all the time. At BC08 I paid like $150 to get to go to every panel, didn't get the toys I didn't want in the first place, and thought it was a fine experience.

There are some people who just don't want to deal with the hassle of standing on line to pick up toys they don't want and then re-selling and shipping those same toys they didn't want. If the whole point is to experience the event itself, you are now throwing other considerations and time-wasters in your own way.


There's only a horrible line if you just HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT NOW OMG. You can show up the next day, or really late on pick-up night, without much, if any line. Then you walk into the dealer room, go to almost any of the big dealers, and especially if you throw in the attendee freebie, and ask for what you paid. No standing in long lines, no shipping.

And while this depends on your circle of friends, but while the pick up line is, in general, horrid, I'm usually in line with friends, which makes the whole thing fun. And even the times when I'm not there with friends, usually you can at least make talking buddies with whoever is around you.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jan 29 2011, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree about the non-toy package, precisely because I have enough friends who go to BC and I've dialed down my collecting interests enough that it means more to me to be at the event longer and have total panel access than it does to get all the toys all the time. At BC08 I paid like $150 to get to go to every panel, didn't get the toys I didn't want in the first place, and thought it was a fine experience.

There are some people who just don't want to deal with the hassle of standing on line to pick up toys they don't want and then re-selling and shipping those same toys they didn't want. If the whole point is to experience the event itself, you are now throwing other considerations and time-wasters in your own way.

That's an awful lot of money thrown away just to get an extra day and/or avoid the hassle of re-selling and shipping the toys.

Seriously. Dont want the toys? Get the Primus package anyway. You'll pay so much less at the end of it all (assuming you don't turn a profit, which is easily possible), it's easily worth the hassle.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 07:18 PM

Yeah, I don't have any interest in collecting Animated anymore, but I still want to go because it's a fun trip and a chance to see people I only see once a year, if that. Pasadena was a really nice convention location, so that's an incentive to go back again. I'm probably either going to unload my toys at the convention, or just bring them home and sell them if the price would be a bit better that way.

I'm still really hoping that some of the souvenirs aren't Animated molds, but either way it lowers the convention costs quite a bit from what I usually invest, basically bringing it down to room cost, food (I like to eat out and try good places while I'm in other cities), and some spending money for BSing in the dealer room. I usually buy multiples of all the toys so I can be super picky for my own personal set, so this will make the trip cheaper by a ton, probably.

I'm trying very hard not to have sour grapes for the people excited for the set, because supposedly everyone's tastes are equal and deserve recognition, but it's just not for me. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 12:07 AM

If you don't like the toys, you can always resell them and pay for the trip. I only kept one of the at-show sets from 2008, but had a great time hanging out with people otherwise!

While the sets don't generally get *quite* the insane prices they used to, it's still worth getting and reselling if you're on the fence about going and worried about expenses.

(Yes, yes, I know, damn dirty scalpers and all...but aside from that, the math works.)

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 08:59 AM

I would consider the protoform package except that dinner was actually very fun and well done last year so I want to try it again. At this point I'm probably going to flip the set in the dealer hall and use the proceeds to buy Masterpiece Rodimus and effectively make him my personal convention exclusive

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 09:49 AM

QUOTE(Yertle @ Feb 1 2011, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would consider the protoform package except that dinner was actually very fun and well done last year so I want to try it again. At this point I'm probably going to flip the set in the dealer hall and use the proceeds to buy Masterpiece Rodimus and effectively make him my personal convention exclusive

That sounds like a decent plan.

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 11:11 PM

Last year's dinner was great, but I can't say I had a lot of fun at 2009's Paramount party. If it's offered again this year, I may have second thoughts about spending the fifty bucks or whatever.

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 11:48 PM

QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Feb 1 2011, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Last year's dinner was great, but I can't say a had a lot of fun at 2009's Paramount party. If it's offered again this year, I may have second thoughts about spending the fifty bucks or whatever.

I'd definitely pass. Glad to get my picture with Weird Al, but the rest was a waste of my time.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 12:01 AM

I got to meet Al, I enjoyed hanging around the Paramount lot in the dark, I liked the quick tour, and it was fun to see a few minutes of the movie and the appearances by Peter Cullen, Tyrese, Michael Bay and the "Autobots." The food was nothing special, and the concert I could've done without entirely.

I hope they don't do the same thing again this year, because it'd just be a rerun, but I liked it the first time.

As for going without the toys, I didn't love the toys in 2009, and I'd just been laid off so I sure wasn't keeping anything I didn't love. I had a good time at the convention, and sold the exclusives. I didn't make a ton of bank, but I covered my admission, a few dealer-room purchases, and a couple of lunches. This year, since I'm not into Animated, I'll probably end up doing the same.

But I'm definitely going. It's just across town!

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 04:03 AM

This year's dinner will probably be a hall of fame as well. I could see them inducting Bay just to get him to make an appearance and screen some of the movie maybe (unless he's on a press junket or something). That would be awesome just for the outcry....

Still, I think going for the full package and then selling or trading the exclusives is the way to go. Dealers had a good experience the last time the convention was in LA, so I bet there will be lots there. Plus, it seems to be a popular box set this year, so unloading it to at least break even should be easy.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 12:46 PM

I had a lot of fun at 2009's, but once again, it was just the friends that made it fun. We sat around acting/dancing like idiots while singing along to Stan Bush.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:09 PM

Unless it's announced that there's going to be a fourth movie, I'd imagine this year is going to be the last truly ginormous Botcon. 2012 will see a return back to smaller venues and smaller attendance---not necessarily a bad thing.
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