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@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.


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#1 Walky

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:51 PM

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:52 PM

From their twitter feed a few moments ago:

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:53 PM

Just got a Twitter message from BotCon.

"Just realized SO many stories and/or TF continuities (as a whole) were told in installments/season of 3... Well, get ready for Season 3.5!"

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:54 PM

Soo, headmasters if it's G1?

What if it is Animated? OOOOOOH PLEASE LET IT BE ANIMATED!

Edited by Nanite, 25 January 2011 - 03:56 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:57 PM

So many implies more than one.

Generation One, technically.

The Japanese series (Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory).

The Unicron Trilogy was told in three.

Yes, Animated.

But you know? The Joecon hints always point to something OBVIOUS that it turns out not to be, but still applies to something less obvious.
So I'm going to say this is the case here too, and might not be Animated after all.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:57 PM

No, Rebirth was Season 4.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:57 PM

I'm thinking Animated.

Head Masters was Season 4.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Jan 25 2011, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, Rebirth was Season 4.

Hence "technically", since a tiny multi-parter does not really a season make.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Jan 25 2011, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soo, headmasters if it's G1?

What if it is Animated? OOOOOOH PLEASE LET IT BE ANIMATED!


Really, it could be most anything. G1, BW, UT (If you count each series as a season), Animated.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:59 PM

I'm thinking Beast Wars Season 3.5. (It's not Season 4 because Season 4 is Beast Machines.)

And "Megatron Conquers Cybertron" could be fun.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:00 PM

Well, if it's Animated, I'll be saving some money this year!

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:02 PM

QUOTE(awa64 @ Jan 25 2011, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm thinking Beast Wars Season 3.5. (It's not Season 4 because Season 4 is Beast Machines.)

And "Megatron Conquers Cybertron" could be fun.

What molds would still be in viable working condition from Beast Wars or Beast Machines?

To me it's gotta be Animated considering what figures are available to them, and it's probably the one year they can still get enough interest in an Animated set before people completely move on to something else (due to the show and style being dropped from any new merch).

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:04 PM

Yeah, exactly. This is the last viable shot for Animated, so my money is on that. Derrick Wyatt worked with them on Cheetor, so the relationship's already there.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:09 PM

They used most of Universe and Classics, a lot of ROTF (if not all) and all of Movie 1 is off the table, RTS and Generations are too new. Energon and Cybertron still have some molds, but I don't think the ones they have left are ones they're likely to want to visit.

Anything else is probably too old to go back to. So Animated is the only logical choice at this point. And as I (and Daytonus mentioned) if they're going to use them, now is the best (and probably only) time to do so.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:11 PM

If the rumors of what the toys will be (more Classics and Animated) are to be believed, perhaps we can expect a comic containing vignettes of several different continuities and a mix of toys accordingly.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE(awa64 @ Jan 25 2011, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm thinking Beast Wars Season 3.5. (It's not Season 4 because Season 4 is Beast Machines.)

And "Megatron Conquers Cybertron" could be fun.


This makes sense.

Why would they call a UT or Animated continuation "season 3.5" instead of "season 4"? Besides, last we were told, they didn't have access to the Animated universe, only the toys.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:22 PM

I would bet on the mix as well. Since then they don't have to exclude one fan group over another.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:22 PM

If it is Animated I wonder how many people will request they do Wingblade Optimus, Hydrodive Bumblebee, and Blackout even though TakaraTomy released them at cheaper prices than the BotCon figures would likely cost?

If it is Animated, I hope BotCon doesn't do anything that TakaraTomy did but Hasbro didn't.

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So the story is in the same continuity as Generation 2 Redux, but set in the events in space with Optimus and Galvatron?

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:32 PM

QUOTE(Spectre @ Jan 25 2011, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, if it's Animated, I'll be saving some money this year!


Yeah. I'm going to get Cheetor because i'm a Beast Whore, but if the rest of the box set is Animated.....*looks at his box of Animated toys that has gone untouched for almost a year*

Not that I have anything in particular against Animated. I'll buy them at retail, but Botcon Exclusive prices? Probably not.

That said, i'm actually against the idea of a mixed Classics/Animated set. At that point you're trying to be all things to all fans, and I think singularity of focus and theme cohesion is better than a hodgepodge mishmash. Judging from past box set sales, most fans seem to feel this way also (2005 and, yes, 2010 have both suffered, while 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 have done mostly quite well, with the latter being somewhat on the iffy side. Yes, before anyone jumps in to correct me, I know this probably isn't the only reason that those two years didn't perform as well, but i'm pretty sure it was one of the major factors).

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