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@  Dracula : (26 August 2016 - 07:45 AM)

Cake? My only weakness! *bursts into flame*

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 05:15 AM)

Happy Birthday! *rolls a giant cake into the Shoutbox*

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Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.


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#1 Walky

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:41 PM

Kinda surprised it took this long for this news to surface! Got my Gen 2 Prime in the mail from BBTS today, and as an afterthought, took a look at the instructions.

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It's a similar but different head. He's definitely got the same crest and ears, but with a chinstrap, some kind of nose(?), and Ginrai-like double circles on each side of his head.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:44 PM

(It may be Motormaster's toy head. It's not a perfect match, but it's as good a guess as any, other than "Facemaskless G2 Prime.")

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:47 PM

Totally called Motormaster!
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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:48 PM

Hmm I guess that looks a bit like Motormaster's toy head. But how many people remember the toy head? We all remember the bucket head in a frame from the cartoon. Oh well new heads are still fun, and should have been a predictable surprise at this point.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:48 PM

Motormaster? That's just crazy enough to work!

He's even got a sword just like Motormaster does.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:49 PM

if its MM, blud and i called it in private.....

that sounds bad

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:54 PM

Yeah, I thought Motormaster made sense all along since he's somewhat established as a sword-using character. I'd usually be okay with using a more toy-accurate head, but not so much when his "bucket in a box" animation head is a bit more memorable, and you're doing a vaguely Prime-like head remold on a toy that was already a Prime.
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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE(J Gargoyle220 @ Jan 19 2011, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, I thought Motormaster made sense all along since he's somewhat established as a sword-using character. I'd usually be okay with using a more toy-accurate head, but not so much when his "bucket in a box" animation head is a bit more memorable, and you're doing a vaguely Prime-like head remold on a toy that was already a Prime.

That leaves MM open to be repainted as a store or convention exclusive Ultra Magnus.
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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:59 PM

After checking TFU.info, I can see why they went with the toy head. The animation model's head is way too plain looking for a modern TF toy, and duplicating the head-in-a-box appearance wouldn't have been possible with this toy.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:00 PM

.... Well, FunPub. Ball's in your court to give me a new Scourge.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:01 PM

Chinstrap? Or frowny face?
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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:02 PM

That second frame depicts an old man frowny face on him. I wonder if it's a new character... Crankimus Maximus?

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:04 PM

...that's not Neme-Scourge....

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:05 PM

The head reminds me of either Longrack or interestingly, Cybertron Menasor.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:06 PM

Nemesis Scourge wouldn't need a new head for obvious reasons, I'd think. I wouldn't say its safe to rule him out as a repaint.

I can deal with motormaster. Drag Strip will have company now.

Edited by NICKSTART, 19 January 2011 - 05:06 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE(Hand Laser Corg @ Jan 19 2011, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That leaves MM open to be repainted as a store or convention exclusive Ultra Magnus.


Because they... couldn't before? Laser Ultra Magnus was a direct redeco of Laser Prime, unless you mean you'd want them to go with a head without a faceplate to resemble Magnus' more iconic face more. Scourge was also a direct redeco, so I'm not sure why that should come up in this discussion either...


QUOTE(Hornet @ Jan 19 2011, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After checking TFU.info, I can see why they went with the toy head. The animation model's head is way too plain looking for a modern TF toy, and duplicating the head-in-a-box appearance wouldn't have been possible with this toy.


Eh, I can see where you'd need a very specific transformation scheme to use the "box" thing, but they probably could have come up with some kind of a bucket head that wasn't too much like Megatron. These guys make heads all the time.

Either way, hopefully the final head will be nice and distinct.

Edited by J Gargoyle220, 19 January 2011 - 05:07 PM.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:12 PM

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.... Well, FunPub. Ball's in your court to give me a new Scourge.

Wouldn't Motormaster be close enough already, color-wise?
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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:13 PM

Motormaster/Motor Master would work! It kind of explains why PCC Huffer's repaint was named Crank Case instead of Motor Master or even Menasor if they plan on using either name for this recolor, especially since PCC Crank Case's super-mode head is a dead-ringer for Menasor, and he turns into a truck!

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE(Sprocket @ Jan 19 2011, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(SpinOut! @ Jan 19 2011, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.... Well, FunPub. Ball's in your court to give me a new Scourge.

Wouldn't Motormaster be close enough already, color-wise?


I can see making the argument that they'd be a little too similar to justify getting both characters out of the mold, but saying they're close enough to be each other on some level is more of a stretch.

Depending on how the mold can be laid out, and how the highlight colors and details are used, they could be very different even though black and gray are main colors on both.

Edited by J Gargoyle220, 19 January 2011 - 05:26 PM.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:27 PM

QUOTE(Sprocket @ Jan 19 2011, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(SpinOut! @ Jan 19 2011, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.... Well, FunPub. Ball's in your court to give me a new Scourge.

Wouldn't Motormaster be close enough already, color-wise?


That's like saying "Wouldn't Camshaft be close enough to be Bluestreak", or some other silver car.

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