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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#1 UnicronusPrime

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 08:30 PM

I want to see this but have heard bad things, but it looks good in previews so I'm torn. Anyone havea non spoiler review? Seth Green doesn't seem like that much of an action hero uy to me.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 12:46 AM

All the writers at Aint It Cool like it. Have they been bought? I'll leave that up to you. It LOOKS fairly cool.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 01:37 AM

QUOTE(UnicronusPrime @ Jan 14 2011, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I want to see this but have heard bad things, but it looks good in previews so I'm torn. Anyone havea non spoiler review? Seth Green doesn't seem like that much of an action hero uy to me.


Well it's a bit too heavy on Seth Rogan and Kato kicks all kinds of butt. Really the best things in the movie is the car and Kato. I could really lose Rogan and be happy with it.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 01:51 AM

Kato fails. Considering they're following the role in Bruce Lee's footsteps, a cantopop "star" that relies on CGI and wires was easily the worst direction to go in.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 02:27 AM

im confused. why didn't Kevin Smith direct this? he's been wanting to do it for years. and yes I know I at one time he was going to do it but then dropped out. But he's worked with Seth before in Zack and Miri make a porno. I think this a missed opportunity for both.

However, its decent.
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Posted 15 January 2011 - 03:47 AM

QUOTE(Daith @ Jan 14 2011, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(UnicronusPrime @ Jan 14 2011, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I want to see this but have heard bad things, but it looks good in previews so I'm torn. Anyone havea non spoiler review? Seth Green doesn't seem like that much of an action hero uy to me.


Well it's a bit too heavy on Seth Rogan and Kato kicks all kinds of butt. Really the best things in the movie is the car and Kato. I could really lose Rogan and be happy with it.


Which is the point of the Green Hornet. You could lose Hornet and just focus on Kato and it'd be awesome. It's a product of the times really.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 04:06 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Jan 15 2011, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kato fails. Considering they're following the role in Bruce Lee's footsteps, a cantopop "star" that relies on CGI and wires was easily the worst direction to go in.


If you're going to criticize in a jerkish way, you should get it right. Jay Chou is from Taiwan and is a very influential singer/songwriter, and as far as I know, writes and sings mostly in Mandarin and not Cantonese (Cantopop meaning basically Hong Kong)--you know, since he's Taiwanese. He's not known as an actor and he's made a few duds in the process (Kung Fu Dunk...ouch), but that doesn't put his "star" status in any kind of question. It's pretty immature to just poo-poo something simply because we can't get the original ever again. In the realm of Bruce Lee remakes, both Jet Li and Donnie Yen have turned in fine interpretations of Chen Zhen in Fist of Legend and New Fist of Fury (Yen also just did Return of Chen Zhen last year), respectively, without tarnishing anything. Give Jay Chou a chance.

I haven't seen it, but CGI and wires doesn't necessarily mean Kato won't be cool. How many recent great kung fu movies HAVEN'T used CGI and wires, for that matter?

Edited by Daytonus, 15 January 2011 - 04:12 AM.


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Posted 16 January 2011 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE(rodimus primevil @ Jan 14 2011, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
im confused. why didn't Kevin Smith direct this? he's been wanting to do it for years. and yes I know I at one time he was going to do it but then dropped out. But he's worked with Seth before in Zack and Miri make a porno. I think this a missed opportunity for both.


Well, that's the thing. He dropped out precisely because he didn't want to direct; he doubted his ability to. So his script sat in a drawer. Then Rogen turned in a script, and during the search for a director Smith was probably never even a consideration.


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QUOTE(Daith @ Jan 14 2011, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well it's a bit too heavy on Seth Rogan and Kato kicks all kinds of butt. Really the best things in the movie is the car and Kato. I could really lose Rogan and be happy with it.


Which is the point of the Green Hornet.


How do you figure? Other than Bruce Lee being the most memorable part of the TV show (and for stuff he did after the show, for that matter), Kato has never really dominated the franchise.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 09:04 PM

My date and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It was a bit too 'funny' at times, but overall it was a fun movie. I really want that car!

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 09:08 PM

It's okay. Fun to watch, but pretty dumb. Probably more Seth Rogen than I'd like.
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Posted 16 January 2011 - 09:22 PM

Rogan is the reason why I didn't go see the movie. Don't care much for him; he's like a slightly skinnier Jack Black.

And the trailers made it look like a self-parody, anyway.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 10:33 PM

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Seth Rogan


If you're going to correct someone at least do it correctly.

Seth Rogen

PS - The movie was horrible. You can tell that Gondry hated his time on set and that Rogen had way too much creative power over the direction the movie took.
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Posted 16 January 2011 - 10:59 PM

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You can tell that Gondry hated his time on set


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Posted 17 January 2011 - 12:33 AM

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It's okay. Fun to watch, but pretty dumb. Probably more Seth Rogen than I'd like.


Wait, which Seth Rogen movie are you talking about?
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 05:39 AM

QUOTE(HeyMickey @ Jan 16 2011, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Canthros @ Jan 16 2011, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's okay. Fun to watch, but pretty dumb. Probably more Seth Rogen than I'd like.


Wait, which Seth Rogen movie are you talking about?


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Posted 17 January 2011 - 07:30 AM

QUOTE(HeyMickey @ Jan 17 2011, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Canthros @ Jan 16 2011, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's okay. Fun to watch, but pretty dumb. Probably more Seth Rogen than I'd like.
Wait, which Seth Rogen movie are you talking about?

Just this one. First exposure to Mr. Rogen's oeuvre, actually.
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 04:22 PM

QUOTE(Canthros @ Jan 17 2011, 06:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(HeyMickey @ Jan 17 2011, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Canthros @ Jan 16 2011, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's okay. Fun to watch, but pretty dumb. Probably more Seth Rogen than I'd like.
Wait, which Seth Rogen movie are you talking about?

Just this one. First exposure to Mr. Rogen's oeuvre, actually.


Whoa for some odd reason I though I was replying to one of my own posts earlier. Sorry bout that.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 11:44 PM

Just got back.

That was a hell of a fun flick. Reminded me of Ghostbusters in tone - a no holds bared action comedy with a great style to it. I really enjoyed it.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 01:27 AM

It's a pretty fun movie. It could have been a great movie if Seth Rogen wasn't in it. He just quite franky sucks. Not as bad as Will Ferrell or David Spade (Just go away. Both of you. Go away. PLEASE!), but still pretty low on to good actors list.

I did like that it was about an incompetent hero. Car was cool. Liked the door guns.

P.S. - Green Hornet was a radio show first, so why is it in the comic section? I'm not sure if there's even is a comic...

Edited by Blade Raider, 18 January 2011 - 01:29 AM.


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Posted 18 January 2011 - 01:51 AM

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P.S. - Green Hornet was a radio show first, so why is it in the comic section? I'm not sure if there's even is a comic...


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