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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#1 UnicronusPrime

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 03:48 PM

Long Story Short: It comes out on September 2011 so say ign.



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Darth Vader, Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment and Lucasfilm officially announced the Blu-ray release of the entire Star Wars saga today at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas. The Blu-rays are now available for online pre-order and are slated for release September 2011.

All six feature films in George Lucas' epic sci-fi saga will be available for the first time in one complete set. The following three distinct sets will be released:

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray (9-disc Set includes all six films)

Star Wars: Prequel Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes I-III)

Star Wars: Original Blu-ray Trilogy (3-disc set includes Episodes IV-VI)

The Complete Saga BD will include three additional discs and more than 30 hours of extensive special features including never-before-seen deleted and alternate scenes, an exploration of the exclusive Star Wars archives, and much more.

Star Wars: The Complete Saga on Blu-ray will be available for $139.99 US/$179.99 CAN and the Star Wars: Trilogy Sets for $69.99 US/89.99 CAN. Pricing for each set will vary by international territory.

Flanked by Lord Vader and his Imperial Stormtroopers, Fox Home Entertainment President Mike Dunn appeared at CES and said, "The Star Wars Saga is the most anticipated Blu-ray collection since the launch of the high-def format. ... The epic franchise pioneered sound and visual presentation in theaters and is perfectly suited to do it again in the home, with a viewing experience only possible with Blu-ray."


EDIT: I need to buy a blu ray player. And $180? I think I'll wait for that to drop down a bit in price too.

Edited by UnicronusPrime, 06 January 2011 - 03:50 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 03:56 PM

Guess Lucas wanted yet another summer home.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:02 PM

If they come with the original, unaltered theatrical versions as well as Lucas's "re-imaginings," I'll probably pick up a copy. I've never owned any previous versions of these movies and I've always wanted to. Don't know about $180 dollars though.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:20 PM

Please note its $180CND and $140USD.

I might border hop to get it if thats the case.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:46 PM

QUOTE(UnicronusPrime @ Jan 6 2011, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please note its $180CND and $140USD.

I might border hop to get it if thats the case.


But...if you switch you're money over...arn't you paying the same?

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:49 PM

QUOTE(TrapDoor @ Jan 6 2011, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(UnicronusPrime @ Jan 6 2011, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please note its $180CND and $140USD.

I might border hop to get it if thats the case.


But...if you switch you're money over...arn't you paying the same?


According to XE.com, presently: 140.00 USD = 139.523 CAD

So basically, we're being ripped off. Once again. Plus you might be able to get it back over the border sans tax.

I think I'll pass on this, though. I'll rent it to see what the quality is like, but I'm no Nute Gunray. There's only so far I'm willing to be taken for a ride.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 05:23 PM

I've been meaning to get the full collection for my personal collection, and this was what I've been waiting for. Hope it turns up good, although I'll probably get DVD copies too eventully.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:00 PM

Meh, pass. Unless George has a sudden turn of heart (if he even still has one) and releases the original takes on III-IV, then I can easily pass this up. I like me some Blu-Ray HD, but the re-imagined versions just aren't worth it. I already have all six on DVD (I got the prequels for the Rifftrax-viewing) and that's all I need.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:13 PM

180?

Amazon.com says just 90..

http://www.amazon.co...E...5602&sr=1-1

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE(Ginrai @ Jan 6 2011, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
180?

Amazon.com says just 90..

http://www.amazon.co...E...5602&sr=1-1


The base price is the reported $140 USD, cut down to $90. Similarly, Amazon.ca's original price is $180, but cut to $125.

http://www.amazon.ca...;pf_rd_i=915398

Still a rip considering $90 USD is $89.73 CDN. Not that I'd have bought it either way, but the phenomenon isn't confined to Blu-Rays.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:40 PM

?69.99 on Amazon UK, which is about $108 USD

Amazon UK

After getting a Blu-Ray player for Christmas I was wondering when Lucas would release Star Wars on Blu-Ray. Here's hoping the special features are worth buying the saga on yet another format (maybe they'll include the Holiday Special icon-fire.gif )

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:49 PM

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:34 PM

QUOTE(Hg Dragon @ Jan 6 2011, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If they come with the original, unaltered theatrical versions as well as Lucas's "re-imaginings," I'll probably pick up a copy.

Speaking of the altered versions, my girlfriend saw Star Wars for the first time last year, on her request (we've been trying watch through all the well-known films either of us have missed). We watched the film on DVD, so it was the altered version. Even having not seen Star Wars before, she picked out the obtrusive CGI pretty much immediately. I hadn't seen the film since the 1997 cinematic re-release, and the computer effects were more out-of-place than I remembered, just not gelling with the rest of the visuals. I also hope that the original films are an option on the BDs, not because I'm a Star Wars purist, or a fan of the franchise (I'm neither), but because they don't look so damn awkward.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:04 PM

QUOTE(Anonymous X @ Jan 6 2011, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also hope that the original films are an option on the BDs, not because I'm a Star Wars purist, or a fan of the franchise (I'm neither), but because they don't look so damn awkward.


If they ever are, it won't be with this first round. The restoration of the unaltered scenes simply hasn't been done; and George Lucas certainly isn't prioritizing it. Even the DVD releases of the theatrical cuts a few years back were simply transfers of the old 90s Laserdisc; letterboxed widescreen as opposed to anamorphic enhancement, etc. Though it probably wouldn't have been too difficult to simply restore the unaltered scenes up to the quality of special edition and use DVD's seamless branching feature to include both cuts on the same disc, they weren't willing to do it.

Someday, maybe. But not this time.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 12:59 AM

I like that in addition to the whole thing, they split the boxes between trilogies, too.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:10 AM

iam just glad they split it. I really have no need for Blu-ray versions of the prequels. Its bad enough i have Ep2 and 3 on dvd rotting in my collection.
I dont need their blu ray counter parts uglying up the place.

Man I hope they have both the original and updated versions on the disc's tho, it would be nice to see the Han shot first/old Anakin version without having to drag out the VCR.



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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:20 AM

Then next year will be the 3D Phantom Menace which should be available on 3DS, PSP2 and the laptops in stereoscopic 3D.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:02 AM

Unless it's a new type of 3-D that also adds depth to the story, count me out. icon-arcee.gif

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:30 AM

I am of the belief that we will never get the original "Star Wars" trilogy released because George Lucas simply no longer thinks of the originals as his definitive version of the films. The special editions are now what he probably considers to be the definitive films now. He has said that he was never truly pleased with how the films turned out and it's no wonder that now with the technology available to him that he went back and alter them. We as fans can bitch and complain all we want (and will continue to do so) but frankly Lucas can do what he wants with them. I don't subscribe to this theory that filmmakers shouldn't be allowed to alter their works, they can do whatever they want and Lucas more so than others since he basically owns Star Wars. I know that I'm in the minority here but I really don't think it is really productive to continue to complain about something we have no control over. Maybe one day we will get the originals released but for now that isn't a priority. Sorry about the rant...just needed to get that out.

All of that said, I must admit that I might buck up and get a blu-ray player now just for this.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 07:17 AM

Does anyone else thing George Lucas will change anything else for the Blu-Ray release? I know when the DVD's came out some bits were changed slightly (better looking Jabba CG in ANH, Boba Fett's voice etc.) so what's to stop him tweaking a few more bits here and there?
I can just see him re-dubbing the Stormtroopers to have Temuera Morrison's voice, to make the connection between them and the Clone Troopers more obvious icon-primal.gif

At the end of the day they are his movies and he can do whatever he likes with them. It would just be nice if we could have the original original films as an extra. He still gets to have his definitive version, and we get to see the originals as they were back in the day. Plus I'm sure it would guarantee a lot of extra sales.

One thing I would like (which would probably never happen) is an alternate audio track that has David Prowse's original voice for Vader. Watching him speak in a west country accent throughout the films would be quite amusing icon-hotrod.gif



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