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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 Waspinator

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:25 PM

Since I've gotten a few PMs and questions about them, I figure we should just have an animated GIF thread. I figure it would be nice to have a place to compile techniques and tricks, as well as for people to ask questions.

I'll go first, with how I do stuff. The programs I use mainly are VirtualDub:
http://www.virtualdub.org/
Avidemux:
http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
and SUPER:
http://www.erightsof...PER.html#Dnload
I also like the Xvid codec for when I'm outputing AVIs:
http://www.xvid.org/

First things first, let's get your video files. You probably have some source video in mind that you may already have, have seen on Youtube, or on some other site. If you already have the video, you can skip this part. You can get videos from various shady sites such as 4chan, but I'm not going to talk about that here. If you need to get it from Youtube, the add-on DownloadHelper is a fast and easy way to save it:
https://addons.mozil...fox/addon/3006/
With that installed, an icon appears to the left of the title of the video when on Youtube and you can click on that to download it. For other web sites, such as Hubworld, you need a bit more advanced tactics. StreamTransport will do it:
http://www.streamtransport.com/
It appears as a web browser window, which you use to get to the video that you want. You then select the file from the bottom half of the screen (usually whichever listed file has the longest play length) and click download on the right. If you select show tasks, you can see the download's progress. When it is done, choose locate so that you can find the file you saved. Put it somewhere that you'll remember.

Now that you have your video, we need to get it into an avi format, since VirtualDub will only open those and that is the program that I use to actually output the GIFs. I will explain this later though, since I am honestly getting tired of typing.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:31 PM

Ok, I lied about later. Here's how you get something to AVI format with Avidemux. Choose file, open, and the file you want to convert. On the left side of the screen, change the drop boxes to the following settings:
Video: MPEG-4 ASP (Xvid) – note, if you don't have Xvid, you'll have to experiment with the others to see what works on your computer
Audio: MP3
Format: AVI
If you only plan on using part of the video, you can save converion time by selecting a segment now. Use the arrow keys on your keyboard and/or the slider at the bottom of the screen to get to the start of the segment, then choose the edit menu and “Set marker A”. Then get to the end of the segment and “Set marker B”. Finally, choose File => Save => Save Video and save it somewhere with a file name ending it .avi.

I will explain how to convert with SUPER later, I mainly mentioned it because Avidemux occasionally chokes on a file that SUPER can handle.

Now, here's the basics of VirtualDub. Choose File => Open Video File and choose the avi you saved in the last part. Once it's open, if you have not already shortened the video, use the slider and/or the arrow keys to move to the start of the segment that you want to use and pick Edit => Set Selection Start, then move to the end and pick Edit => Set Selection End. If the video size is large, one useful technique is to pick Filters under the Video menu. Click Add and then select one of the 2:1 reduction filters. You can add it multiple times to further reduce the size of the video. You can also crop your video through the filter menu. After adding at least one filter (if you don't want to change the size, add a brightness/contrast filter and don't change any settings), the Cropping button should be selectable. Navigate using the slider and/or buttons to the part of the video you're focusing on so that you can see how much extra space there may be. By using your mouse cursor and dragging the sides of the video view box, you can crop out parts of the frame. Hit ok when you're done.

When you have everything the way you want it, choose the File menu, then Export, then Animated GIF. You probably want “Infinite Loop” to be selected. Give it a name, save it somewhere, and enjoy your new GIF.

Edited by Waspinator, 21 December 2010 - 09:39 PM.

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 01:38 AM

Some other useful tips:

Say that there's a clip that you want to loop that has no clean point to do so. Open up the video in Avidemux and get the starting and ending points selected as above, also set up the video and audio boxes. Save the video as an .avi somewhere and put a 1 on the end of the name (not necessary, but convenient to help you remember the order later). Go to the Video menu at the top and select Filters. Double click on the part that says Reverse and then click close. Save the .avi again, this time with a 2 on the end. Open the 1 file in Virtualdub normally and then choose File => Append AVI Segment and choose the 2 file. Then do whatever resizing, cropping, whatever and export the GIF as normal. The video should play once forwards, then backwards, then forwards, backwards, etc, for forever in a clean loop.

If you need to reduce file size further and want to risk potential choppiness, you can have Virtualdub remove frames to reduce file size. This works best in high frame-rate source videos, since they can probably lose some redundant frames without much effect. In VirtualDub, open the Video menu and choose Frame Rate, then choose either "Process every other frame" or "Process every third frame". This is not recommended in all cases since, especially in videos with a lot of movement, it can make things very choppy.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 02:06 PM

QUOTE(TooManyBunnies @ Jan 6 2011, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm growing ever more jealous of the gif-making skills around here.

I tried again last night after grabbing the high quality .flv files from the Hub, but Avidemux hangs when I try to load any of them! So I downloaded SUPER instead (which was a headache in itself) and then spent an hour trying to figure out the interface. I managed to export an AVI of Swarm of the Century, but it looks terrible, and I couldn't get a decent .gif out of it at all -- it came out all full of artifacts.

Any tips on getting SUPER to export the AVI right? I tried to match the output settings to the specs of the input file, but it didn't seem to help any...

Edit: Suddenly I notice that the tutorial thread was actually meant to be a discussion thread -- feel free to take any responses over there! Sorry for not noticing.


Assuming you've matched the framerate (29.970) and resolution (640x360) of the Hubworld videos in SUPER's settings, the major thing I could see causing that kind of quality decrease would be the codec you're using. The Hubworld files use H.264/AVC, which usually transcodes (i.e. suffers a second round of encoding) fairly well once or (for HD) twice, unlike its predecessor (MPEG-2). But personally, I prefer just converting the episode into a RAW, uncompressed AVI. That doesn't diminish the quality at all since there's no transcoding. The only downside is space; a full episode of this show uncompressed is 25.7GB; but raw video is much easier to work with and I have 3TB of space, so it's not really a concern.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 06 January 2011 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 03:29 PM

I think I got it! Thanks so much to both of you!

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 03:53 PM

Yeah, I mentioned SUPER for completeness, but I'm not sure I'm good enough with it to really write a tutorial. It works, but figuring out the settings can sometimes be a complete pain.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:23 PM

Well, for my purposes, what I had to do was pretty simple; it just doesn't look like it is. I mean, I must have spent ten minutes going "Wh-where's File | Open?"

As far as I can tell, all I had to do was:
  • Set the output to AVI.
  • Set the codec to Raw.
  • Set the Video Scale Size to No Change.
  • Select the frame rate that matches the original video (most players will give that information).
  • Drag the video file from Windows Explorer onto the SUPER window. (Which is harder than it has any right to be--who was the arrogant harebrain that coded SUPER to be always centered and on top?)
  • Click Encode.
And if pops up the thing about changing the audio settings, it won't encode right away, so click Encode again if it did that.

Anything missing?

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 06:33 PM

Here's how to make a montage like in my signature. First, get your screenshots from wherever. They can be JPGs, PNGs, or whatever, but they need to be all in the same format and in the same folder. They also need to all have the same dimensions in terms of pixel count. Copy the first one, name the copy 0.jpg (or whatever format you're using) and then rename the rest in increasing numbers (1.jpg, 2.jpg, 3.jpg, etc...). Don't ask me why you need the copy, VirtualDub just seems to sometimes drop the first frame in stuff like this. Anyway, fire up VirtualDub and open the 0 file. The sequence should load as a video. Under the video menu choose Frame Rate and then in the top half of that window, choose "change frame rate to" and enter a number. For a slow montage, you probably want to choose a value of something like .5 fps. The smaller, the slower the montage will be. Hit ok. Then add whatever resizing or whatever other kind of filters you want to do and export the GIF as normal.

Edited by Waspinator, 14 January 2011 - 06:36 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 08:25 PM

Thanks for this - you'd mentioned Avidemux before, so I started with that, but your process is much less kludgey for the rest than what I had figured out from there. Very cool!

Edited by Copper Bezel, 31 January 2011 - 08:28 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:23 PM

Something I recently figured out: I had been having trouble getting SUPER to convert the Hubworld .flvs to decent quality .avis, but Avidemux can't open said .flv directly. Well, you can set the output container on SUPER to MKV, check "Stream Copy" for the Video and Audio feeds, and give it the .flv. You'll very quickly get a .mkv file that is basically the same data from the .flv reorganized a little. And Avidemux CAN open the .mkv!

Edited by Waspinator, 25 February 2011 - 05:24 PM.

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