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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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Posted 14 November 2010 - 10:39 AM

And different (already existing) heads, but yeah...

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 10:47 AM

I hope that's a magenta Hot Rod... with an orange spoiler.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 14 November 2010 - 11:02 AM

I hope it's an orange Hot Rod with a magenta spoiler.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Nov 14 2010, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope that's a magenta Hot Rod... with an orange spoiler.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 02:13 PM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ Nov 13 2010, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh... I'm comparing the Junkion silhouette to the stock photo of Wreck-Gar from the TFCC magazine cover... and... they're exactly the same. Same pose, etc. Even the head silhouette matches.


They're really not.

The right arm of the Club Cover Wreck-Gar is raised more. Plus, his bicep is a darker color versus the rest of his arm, and the reverse for the silhouetted guy. ...who has shades rather than individual eyes.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Nov 14 2010, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope it's an orange Hot Rod with a magenta spoiler.

And a yellow hood.

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 02:52 AM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Nov 14 2010, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ExVee @ Nov 14 2010, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope it's an orange Hot Rod with a magenta spoiler.

And a yellow hood.

No no no, silver thighs!

...on a deep magenta body with orange hands, and a yellow spoiler and flame on his chest.
And a G2 Autobot symbol of course.

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 04:41 AM

I hope for the army-builder's sake our one genetic Junkion isn't only to be part of an e-hobby-exclusive 3 pack.
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 08:03 AM

It's gotta be the visor-wearing faceplated junkion guy:



I wonder if they give him a very different color scheme, as in the 86 movie (and season 3) most Junkions had very similar color schemes.
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 08:11 AM

TakaraTomy wouldn't be as concerned with very similar schemes, especially for an e-Hobby release. Hasbro would, but with how many white Autobot sports cars with red highlights we're getting in RTS and Generations (Drift, Red Alert, Jazz, Wheeljack), maybe they're not either.

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 09:36 AM

I hope it's a re-do of Henkei Rodimus. I could use an extra that won't cost me $200.

If there's a remold involved, then Hasbro will definitely release it somewhere down the line. Look at Gentei Thrust and Dirge. That said, i'd definitely shell out for the 3 pack of Autobots. The Decepticons not so much. I really wish that Galvatron mold would just crap-out already.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:26 AM

Found on tfw2005 (originally from 2channel?)

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The generic Junkion is called "Scrap Heap"

Plus there is going to be some kind of United promo with PCC partners done up as Targetmasters


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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:44 AM

That Mini-Con in the middle is one we haven't seen before isn't it? Could be Undertow's, I'm not sure.

And it looks like those are the correct color schemes for them and not a mock-up.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:51 AM

The PCC Minicon recolors are cool.
Can't wait to see color pics of these.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 06:35 AM

Interesting. Names given to the Targetmasters are Fracas, Recoil, and Haywire, so all 2010 stuff there.
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Posted 22 November 2010 - 06:35 AM

The Minicons are named Fracas, Haywire, and Recoil.

So yeah. Targetmasters.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 06:41 AM

US names? How weird.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 07:05 AM

Uh. Aren't the Targetmasters' names the same in Japan and the US?

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 07:15 AM

Oh hug yeah! Make those mother hugging Minicons Target Masters for Classic Characters!!!! Oh yeah I love it!

This just makes me happy to no end.

And hey they're not clear. icon-hotrod.gif Though a red or orange face on Fracas would have been nice.

Does anyone know which is which (who is Fracas, Haywire, and Recoil - or is it in that order)? Thanks!

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 08:03 AM

Did they use the American names for the Japanese version of Rebirth? I'd imagine they did, so these names probably are not a surprise.



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