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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just


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#1 DarkDestroyer

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:09 PM

I just saw this on CBR and wasn't sure to include it in the General Spider-Man discussion thread or start a new topic of it's own. It's just a teaser cover on Previews, but still...interesting.

http://www.comicbook...rticle&id=29333

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:57 PM

It would be a mercy at this point.
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Posted 10 November 2010 - 02:09 PM

does anybody care?

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 02:23 PM

One creatively bankrupt idea after another.

I love how erasing the marriage and making Peter a complete loser was supposed to "revitalize" the franchise and here, a year or so later, they're having to resort to this.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 02:34 PM

Didn't Big Time just start today? Man whats goin on here. Someone needs to kick Quesada out of the EIC position or whatever it is now he is.
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Posted 10 November 2010 - 02:37 PM

So, it's Spider-Man's turn to be dead for a few months?

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 02:38 PM

Let me guess, another comic where Peter decides to stop being Spider-Man. Only this time, it'll last a while, so we can have the comic entirely focus on Peter's manwhore sex life over the following year, without any pesky things like villains and action getting in the way.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 02:40 PM

Wow I'm surprised at the reaction at this. The last time Marvel did this it turned out to be Kaare Andrews's excellent Spider-Man: Reign. There is nothing except that image, and Marvel refuses to comment on it at this time icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 02:59 PM

They're not gonna kill him, and if they did it would be until the new movie comes out at the max

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:02 PM

Good.

Ideally, the character should be killed and the franchise left to rest for a few years before coming back, much like Star Trek.

Of course this will never happen.

I'm so sick of this endless cycle of rehashed and reused "changes" to the status quo that end up changing nothing. Wash Rinse and Repeat.

Maybe I should just get out of comics altogether.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:08 PM

eh, might as well at this point. I mean, what else other than killing him could they do to the poor bastard?

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:36 PM

Didn't they just do a painfully contrived "fake-out" death where Kaine swapped clothes with Peter between issues then got killed so Kraven the Hunter could be magically brought back to life?

And now they're killing him for "real"?

Ugh. I'm sticking with my "Gauntlet" trades and then calling quits on Spidey.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:41 PM

to be honest if this was the 60's or 70's they'd run this comic and it would be a fun little issue without any hype. As it is now we see a cover and go mad at it because we think it might be something cataclysmic.

It's a cover, lets see where it goes before we do owt else

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:41 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Nov 10 2010, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good.

Ideally, the character should be killed and the franchise left to rest for a few years before coming back, much like Star Trek.

Of course this will never happen.

I'm so sick of this endless cycle of rehashed and reused "changes" to the status quo that end up changing nothing. Wash Rinse and Repeat.

Maybe I should just get out of comics altogether.


Nah, just get out of superhero universes for a while.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 04:51 PM

Didn't they do this already?!
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Posted 10 November 2010 - 05:09 PM

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 05:15 PM

Guys, guys. Stop being negative.

This might mean the return of Ben Reilly.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 05:21 PM

Here's the cover to #655

http://www.comicbook...rticle&id=29332

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 08:17 PM

QUOTE(Internet Jesus @ Nov 10 2010, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guys, guys. Stop being negative.

This might mean the return of Ben Reilly.

Oh so they are killing off Ben Reilly

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 08:45 PM

Man, rehashing the Death thing again?

Bring his Parents back again first or something.


Oh wait no. That won't work. I keep forgetting the point of Modern Spider-Man books is to repeatedly kick Peter Parker in the balls as hard as possible, and ensure you take away everything good and stable in his life because while the writers/editors were jealous of a Make Believe Nerd having a better life then they do.

The Gwen Clone will come back, she and Peter will hook up things will go great, he'll hang up the tights, and then BOOM! Right back to the "Gwen Stacy is a Slutty Whore" aspect when Peter walks in on her and Harry. Oh, and Aunt May will die for the billionth time somewhere in here too.

Thus leading to "I Am The Spider" part 2.

Why? Because Marvel hates Spider-Man. It really is that simple.

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