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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#1 Ursa Magnus

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 11:15 PM

So, this evening, I got to thinking: we have some art of the team transports (the Mark 1 and 2 OmegaJets), but we have yet to have any indication of what the satellite itself looks like.

I wanted to put it out there for discussion, and to see if anybody might be willing to have a go at it. I was going to get in touch with somebody, but decided that I'd rather let the community itself see what we can come up with before I just sort of unilaterally had someone design and draw it.

So... thoughts? When you think of it at this moment, what do you see?

For myself, I kind of once again see an Omega incorporated into the design somehow. The satellite itself isn't bulky per se (like the pre-Crisis JLA HQ or DS9), but longer akin to the Watchtower.

Ideas from everyone else?

EDIT: Also, a name for it. "Omega Guardians Satellite" is too klunky. Something cool and flowing like "Watchtower", "Panopticon", or "Avalon" (a satellite HQ belonging to a friend's group) have nice flows to them.

Edited by Ursa Magnus, 10 November 2010 - 10:53 AM.


#2 SmokedToast

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 11:21 PM

I could take a whack at it Ursa, I haven't done too much with scenery but this idea just seems too fun not to give it a try. icon-hotrod.gif COuld inspire a bit for the dead-enders crib as well. ;D

Yes, I'm working with those sort of sprites now. :p

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 11:37 PM

I vote Valhalla for the name. Solely because Norse mythology is badass.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 12:58 AM

Olympus.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 09:47 AM

QUOTE(SpinOut! @ Nov 7 2010, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Olympus.


I actually had thought of that as well, but then upon further reflection thought, "Our guys have placed themselves on Olympus? Wow. Pretentious much?" icon-fire.gif

QUOTE(Detour @ Nov 6 2010, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I vote Valhalla for the name. Solely because Norse mythology is badass.


A good name, especially since it's the Hall of Heroes in Norse myth. But I'm afraid it's kind of got the same overtones as setting up our guys on a base called Olympus. I was hoping for something simpler, but Valhalla is certainly something to keep in mind.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 02:11 PM

Call it........Omen

That can also be the name of the A.I. that runs the place.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 03:19 AM

Rough basic shape for my idea, going to refine further but I was trying to go with what you mentioned about incorporating an Omega symbol into it ursa! There would be solar collector panelsall long the 'middle base' of the symbol, hence the left side drawing.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 03:38 AM

How about Kalhalla? icon-fire.gif

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE(TriBlurr @ Nov 7 2010, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Call it........Omen

That can also be the name of the A.I. that runs the place.


I'm not sure about naming the headquarters itself 'Omen', but I like the idea of naming the A.I. that maintains and coordinates the place that. icon-ironhide.gif


QUOTE(SmokedToast @ Nov 8 2010, 03:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rough basic shape for my idea, going to refine further but I was trying to go with what you mentioned about incorporating an Omega symbol into it ursa! There would be solar collector panelsall long the 'middle base' of the symbol, hence the left side drawing.
Finally a sign of artist block going away. X_X


I think you're on the right track. Maybe watch the dip in the top arch of the omega shape though. We don't want it looking like an orbital version of a popular chain fast food joint. icon-arcee.gif

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 12:25 AM

Well if we go for Omen the AI, I think we need to acronymize it.

Also, I submit this design for it:



As for Smokey's satellite design... it's on the right track, but it needs some tweaking. Right now the side view looks like the McDonald's Arch.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 09 November 2010 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Nov 9 2010, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well if we go for Omen the AI, I think we need to acronymize it.



Agreed. But since it's TriBlurr's idea, final say of course belongs to him. I submit...

Omnipresent
Electronic
Neuropresence

Observational
Metatasking
Electronic
Neuropresence

Omnipresent
Multitasking
Electronic
Neuropresence

...as suggestions.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 08:37 AM

"Guardians of Fortress Moon-Omega"

GFMO.




Praise the acronym. icon-arcee.gif



Just, because "Omega-Moon Fortress" Guardians may not always communicate well. But is equally awesome as an exclamation. icon-arcee.gif

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:05 AM

+1 to Omen as the AI. I haven't taken the time to brainstorm yet for names of the satellite itself.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:07 AM

I'd go with Observational Multitasking Electronic Neuropresence, if only because between Omnipresent and Neuropresence, there's redundance.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:12 PM

Doctor Dave is too genre-savvy to go to ANY satellite named after a place you go when you die. "Valhalla? I respectfully submit 'hug that' to that name. I know it'll get knocked out of orbit eventually, but why tempt fate?" icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:14 PM

Well Valhalla is a place where norse warriors and gods prepare for Ragnarok.

Just like how the OGs would use it to prepare for Earthbound troubles.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:32 PM

What about calling the satellite "The Overseer"?

Or maybe I've been playing too much Fallout. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:46 PM

Sounds a little ominous.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:51 PM

A bit, yeah. And once again, probably something more suited to a chief AI.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Nov 9 2010, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd go with Observational Multitasking Electronic Neuropresence, if only because between Omnipresent and Neuropresence, there's redundance.

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