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@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

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@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.


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#281 Wheelimus

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:46 AM

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I'm hoping we did indeed get HeTellMeish information, and Rumble and Frenzy combine into a DELUXE sized tank. That would make their robot modes perfect size to display with Music Label Soundwave.


Seems likely, considering the Ice Cream Twins toy. That would really erase a lot of my qualms with this release, what with Frenzy and Rumble being potentially too big, and taking a voyager slot when guys like Galvatron, Straxus, and Thunderwing didn't even get to be voyagers. I really hope you're right.


Unless BBTS has bad info the overall figure is in the same size class as Megatron and Grapple. If there is a combined tank it would be a lot bigger than deluxe.

Since we're all pulling them from the same place, lol, I'll just toss out a guess that the two figures are scout sized and make a slightly undersized Voyager.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:49 AM

Attached piledrivers:

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:51 AM

Um...Hopefully that looks better in color?

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:53 AM

Well, that explains the black bit. They're the pile drivers. We now KNOW that tank mode is just Frenzy.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:55 AM

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Oct 14 2010, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Wheelimus @ Oct 14 2010, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course we could all just call our toys what we prefer and avoid the whole debate. Thus far Hasbro hasn't shown up at our houses and shot any of us in the head because we called Darkmount "Straxus." YET!

Surely this argument could have been made without the "shot us in the head" hyperbole. (Seriously, people who do this kind of thing make it sound like, unless there's the potential for it to be life-or-death, it shouldn't matter at all. We don't need to go so far to say that, perhaps, it shouldn't matter).

There are plenty of reasons to try to get things right. And plenty of much more reasonable reasons why no one else (much less Hasbro) should care what we call them.


I'm not arguing that people shouldn't care, I'm arguing that some care a little too much. But that's just me, a LOT of the things this fandom does irk me. I really can't imagine ever paying 3 times US retail to just get a mildly better paint job, for example. To each their own and all but it doesn't make sense to me.

I came into this addiction as a 'toon fan. For me, Rumble will always be blue. If someone thinks he's red, have at it.

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#286 G.B.Blackrock

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:55 AM

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Attached piledrivers:

I've never been a fan of the cartoon-style piledrivers, but so long as they don't make it so the toy has no hands at all (a la Alternators), I have no real problem. They're a neat accessory.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:57 AM

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Of course we could all just call our toys what we prefer and avoid the whole debate. Thus far Hasbro hasn't shown up at our houses and shot any of us in the head because we called Darkmount "Straxus." YET!

Surely this argument could have been made without the "shot us in the head" hyperbole. (Seriously, people who do this kind of thing make it sound like, unless there's the potential for it to be life-or-death, it shouldn't matter at all. We don't need to go so far to say that, perhaps, it shouldn't matter).

There are plenty of reasons to try to get things right. And plenty of much more reasonable reasons why no one else (much less Hasbro) should care what we call them.


I'm not arguing that people shouldn't care, I'm arguing that some care a little too much. But that's just me, a LOT of the things this fandom does irk me.

Fair enough, and I'll certainly concede being guilty of this myself. But, to go the other direction, surely something short of potential murder could be cited as a reason why a fan could justify caring, yes?

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 10:58 AM

Yeah pile drivers in place of real arms suck. Having them in addition to is quite cool.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:02 AM

Wheeljack - I don't think I'm as psyched as most others here, but I am very happy to finally be getting a deluxe G1 Wheeljack to finally go alongside my UT Wheelshifts and SG Wheeljack. I guess we all kind of knew he was going to be a Tracks remold, so I was resigned to thinking there'd be no surprises. However, I'm really glad to see that they did put some effort into him. The car mode looks nicely different, and the modified wingtips help really sell this as Wheejack vs a Tracks remold. Repurposing the missile launchers as tools is creative in a cute way, but I'll be keeping them in place as shoulder weapons a la Tracks.

Frenzy - Looks pretty great, really. Didn't ever expect him as a tank, and this means that the usual scale problems are at work, but it's a good looking tank (looks like ROTF Bludgeon crossed with Energon Kickback) and the bot mode looks nice - I really like how the turrets approximate his back-mounted blasters. I wonder what the situation with Rumble will be - at this point, based on how small Frenzy looks, it may just be a non-combining 2-pack.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:12 AM

Not bad... not bad at all. Hopefully we'll see a North American release of these figures soon.
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:13 AM

Not bad... not bad at all. Hopefully we'll see a North American release of these figures soon.
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:13 AM

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Oh, sweet Jesus - TEH FLAMEZ! Make them go away!

Oh, and just like "Prime has flames now" because of the goddamned Bay movies, Rumble IS blue, because of the cartoon.


..... you do realize Laser OP had flames back in G2 right? His entire theme was fire, and giant explosions which spelt out his damn name! I know you have a compulsion to screech about the current movies whenever you have the chance, but do your research first.

And as for coloring on Rumble and Frenzy even the original show didn't get this right, as the show's bible had the correct color listed for Rumble, as in he was called a RED robot. This all just came about because the people doing the animation just didn't care enough in their work to follow simple instructions. Keep in mind when the show reached Japan, the mistake was rectified.

Fortunately, Hasbro has always kept the correct colors, and with Kyde working on this line, and knowing what he is doing here, this toy we have seen will happily be his proper colors and be a blue Frenzy.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:20 AM

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Oh, sweet Jesus - TEH FLAMEZ! Make them go away!

Oh, and just like "Prime has flames now" because of the goddamned Bay movies, Rumble IS blue, because of the cartoon.


..... you do realize Laser OP had these flames back in G2 right? I know you have a compulsion to screech about the current movies whenever you have the chance, but do your research first.


No, he doesn't. It's just a transition from red to black.
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:22 AM

On the other hand, his trailer featured flames prominently, so it seems more about blending the deco a bit.

The flames are better than the red to black fade, anyways. That never really made much sense.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:23 AM

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Oh, sweet Jesus - TEH FLAMEZ! Make them go away!

Oh, and just like "Prime has flames now" because of the goddamned Bay movies, Rumble IS blue, because of the cartoon.


..... you do realize Laser OP had these flames back in G2 right? I know you have a compulsion to screech about the current movies whenever you have the chance, but do your research first.


No, he doesn't. It's just a transition from red to black.

Look at the trailer...

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:23 AM

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I'm hoping we did indeed get HeTellMeish information, and Rumble and Frenzy combine into a DELUXE sized tank. That would make their robot modes perfect size to display with Music Label Soundwave.


Seems likely, considering the Ice Cream Twins toy. That would really erase a lot of my qualms with this release, what with Frenzy and Rumble being potentially too big, and taking a voyager slot when guys like Galvatron, Straxus, and Thunderwing didn't even get to be voyagers. I really hope you're right.


Unless BBTS has bad info the overall figure is in the same size class as Megatron and Grapple. If there is a combined tank it would be a lot bigger than deluxe.

Since we're all pulling them from the same place, lol, I'll just toss out a guess that the two figures are scout sized and make a slightly undersized Voyager.

Seriously, he's scout sized. You can calculate his exact size from the clips on his forearms, which are 2cm. He's about 11cm tall, minus the back guns.
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:27 AM

Wheeljack looks pretty neat, but I'd like to see him painted.

Rumble looks okay. Hopefully he'll be small so he doesn't look weird standing next to soundwave.

g2 Prime looks okay, but he kind of reminds me of Energon Optimus Prime. that's not a good thing.

Scourge looks great. He'd be better if his wings looked more like the animation model.

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#298 Wheelimus

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:29 AM

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Of course we could all just call our toys what we prefer and avoid the whole debate. Thus far Hasbro hasn't shown up at our houses and shot any of us in the head because we called Darkmount "Straxus." YET!

Surely this argument could have been made without the "shot us in the head" hyperbole. (Seriously, people who do this kind of thing make it sound like, unless there's the potential for it to be life-or-death, it shouldn't matter at all. We don't need to go so far to say that, perhaps, it shouldn't matter).

There are plenty of reasons to try to get things right. And plenty of much more reasonable reasons why no one else (much less Hasbro) should care what we call them.


I'm not arguing that people shouldn't care, I'm arguing that some care a little too much. But that's just me, a LOT of the things this fandom does irk me.

Fair enough, and I'll certainly concede being guilty of this myself. But, to go the other direction, surely something short of potential murder could be cited as a reason why a fan could justify caring, yes?


Well you may be caring a little too much about that too. It's just an expression that doesn't really mean Hasbro is literally going to shoot someone in the head. Could have just as easily been "Thus far Hasbro hasn't shown up at our houses and peed in our Frosted Flakes because we called Darkmount "Straxus."

YET! The point being though that Hasbro couldn't care less, and when you get down to it neither should we. It's just a little baffling that the same fandom that spawns a massive repurposing thread also spawns RIRFIB FIRRIB. Call them Hokey Pokey 1 and 2 for all I care, so long as people let me call them what I want.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:30 AM

And just like that, I'm skipping Tracks because Wheeljack is every bit as awesome as he needs to be. The Tracks version just doesn't quite pull it off well enough, and I have the Alternator version of Tracks which is, in my opinion, quite a bit better anyway.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 11:39 AM

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And just like that, I'm skipping Tracks because Wheeljack is every bit as awesome as he needs to be. The Tracks version just doesn't quite pull it off well enough, and I have the Alternator version of Tracks which is, in my opinion, quite a bit better anyway.


And then someday you're going to look at your near complete cast of deluxe "Classics" cars and your Alt. Tracks towering over them. And then you'll buy this Tracks. Probably for twice retail. Just do the sensible thing and go ahead and buy it now to keep sealed. Either in a couple of years you'll be glad you did when you wind up wanting it, or you'll wind up having a valuable sealed toy!

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