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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#1 Powered Convoy

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 07:28 AM

http://www.tfw2005.c...-guard-ver.html

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People who purchase the Japanese Animated Encyclopedia (available next month) will be entitled to purchase an exclusive Animated Optimus Prime (Elite Guard Ver.) figure.

The 112 page encyclopedia will cost 1,680 yen and is available for order at Books Rakuten, Amazon JP and Red Mercury.

Each purchase of the book entitles the buyer to a maximum of 2 pieces of the exclusive figure.

Each figure will cost 4,900 yen. Orders of two figures will be sold at the slightly discounted price of 9,200 yen.

Based on the silhouette of the figure on the cover, it will be a repaint of the voyager class Prime figure with Wingblade parts.


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Posted 18 August 2010 - 07:39 AM

This is much like Emergency Green G1 Ratchet, Skids & Screech, Gentei Ghost Starscream, and Gentei Electro Disruptor Ligier before him. They all had to have a book purchased in order to buy them.

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Edit: EZ Collection Elite Guard Optimus (the maroon, dark gray, and gold one) to give us an impression of how he might look.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 08:28 AM

Wow, that's a surprisingly hefty figure compared to past precedent, if the silhouette is true.

I mean, I have no interest in that Elite Guard Prime deco or the Wingblade parts so I probably won't be getting this, but that is one impressive jump up from a Deluxe.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 08:51 AM

Yeah, I really like the scheme they used so it'll be nice to see it on a larger figure.

This makes me want to get the Prowl and Bumblebee now.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 09:28 AM

Yup, heard about this one through the rumor mill last month. Looking forward to it.
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 09:47 AM

What will be the book like? Totally new, or a translation of the Almanac?
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 10:42 AM

Hmmm. That's not an awful price. Anyone know a good way to order from Amazon.co.jp?
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 10:48 AM

I think the problem is you'll need someone with a Japanese address.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 12:10 PM

Huh. I want to see actual pictures of that thing. I wasn't going to buy a Japanese Wingblade in hopes of the Hasbro one eventually coming out, but this one might get me depending on the color scheme.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 12:19 PM

I would hope for a Powered Convoy colored repaint at some point on any Prime, other than a movie one that is...

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 18 August 2010 - 12:29 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Aug 18 2010, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the problem is you'll need someone with a Japanese address.

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Probably would help if I could read Japanese too.
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE(Waspinator @ Aug 18 2010, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Huh. I want to see actual pictures of that thing. I wasn't going to buy a Japanese Wingblade in hopes of the Hasbro one eventually coming out, but this one might get me depending on the color scheme.

I wouldn't count on a Hasbro one at this point.

Plus the Hasbro one would use (in my opinion) the crappy Deluxe Earth mode figure while the Takara one uses the much better (in my opinion) Voyager mold.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 01:26 PM

I'm more interested in the book, personally.

Maybe it'll have some extra bits that'll be contrary to the Almanac or just "neat".

Or Hell, maybe TakaraTomy will use THIS as their means to connect Animated to the Movies since they don't appear to actually be doing it in the cartoon like that marketing manager said they would.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:26 PM

If anyone here wants to get the encyclopedia/figure, hit me up. I should be able to get some of them.
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:01 PM

Wow, that EZ Collection Elite Guard Optimus looks really nice.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 07:35 PM

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 07:39 PM

That seems like an odd place for the elite guard symbol.

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 18 August 2010 - 08:01 PM

Eh, I like the black and red, but the gold is placed a little oddly. And, I'm with Smitty that the Elite Guard symbol is in a funny spot. If it's going to be that small, putting it high between the windows seems like a no-brainer.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 08:15 PM

Otoboto family feature in the encyclopedia? Cooooooool! (Am I the only one hoping that their segments will be included on the Animated S3 DVDs when they finally come out?)

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 08:18 PM

Hah!

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