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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#21 Chris McFeely

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 09:05 AM

QUOTE(Kevin S @ Jul 15 2010, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bwah? Where are you people going to watch this? As far as I know, it premieres at Comic-Con & doesn't hit stores until July 27th. I could understand 1 or 2 ppl getting an advanced peek, but since 4 piped up, I am a tad confuzzed.

Or am I missing something?

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And yeah, this was pretty gosh-danged awesome. I didn't dig much on Neil Patrick Harris, though - he didn't sound genuine. Sounded like he was actively putting on a puffed-out-chest fake-sounding "heroic" voice.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 09:28 PM

im to lazy to look if anyone said it but I heard best buy will give out a free figure of animated red hood along with the blu ray.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 11:23 PM

Yeah I'm pretty sure that figure comes with the best buy exclusive...and I had no problem with NPH's voice work as Dick at all. He was bang on as far as I'm concerned. I've seen this now twice and both times were great. I can't wait to get this next week.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 02:12 AM

QUOTE(Anon @ Jul 23 2010, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
im to lazy to look if anyone said it but I heard best buy will give out a free figure of animated red hood along with the blu ray.

DCIH again?

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I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 01:22 PM

Yeah, I guess its time to go pick this up on the way home tonight.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 03:56 PM

I enjoyed it, I don't care that it isn't TAStastic ...

because I know that isn't the point. it has nothing to do with TAS, TAS as hard as it is to say... ISN'T BATMAN its TAS: Batman... just like DarkKnight is Nolan Batman...

I liked that Joker was a 'normal' DC sized guy in this.

Afterall he WAS, originally a big 'heroic build' guy before.

sure I enjoy the frail wiry manic Joker as much as the next guy ... but he works better in stories where a DRASTIC CONTRAST is needed. and this story is all about JUST HOW DAMN CLOSE these characters are to BEING each other.

also.. anything with Tallia is win... Ra's is okay too...

as for the acting, spot on on all counts. not once did I look at the models and hear the voices and think.. no, that doesn't fit and yes NPH having a 'forced puffed up hero voice' -or whatever IS perfect for the Nightwing we see in this movie...

he's obviously still in that "SEE WHAT I CAN DO DAD" stage.

anyway I thought it worked. I think this is a perfect lead in to them making a movie about the current comic story with Damian Wayne.

but yeah I did feel the distinct lack of any hint that Tim was around...

no spoilers, but a slightly alternate ending would have really brought this movie to close with a gut punch of pathos.

HIGHLIGHT to view:
Instead of having Batman flashback to a young Jason as robin ready for adventure be the close out... ad another minute to show that its Tim standing there on a different Batmobile, and have Batman say something like... "Be right there Tim."


With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 04:20 PM

Is the Red Hood's voice actor the one who did Terry in Batman Beyond? The voice in the commericials sounds just like Batman Beyond.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 04:33 PM

Nope, Terry is Will Friedle, Red Hood is Jensen Ackles.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 04:35 PM

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With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 06:06 PM

I picked up the Best Buy version on the way home!

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:00 PM

That was better than any DC animated movie, including the DCAU ones.

Hell, it was better than the comic it was adapted from, and I love that story arc!
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:42 PM

Watched it this evening.

Thought it was great and in many ways better than the source material (cutting out the Infinite Crisis tie in stuff was a big plus). Probably my favorite of the DC animated movies I've seen thus far.

John Dimaggio's Joker was very, very different. Very subdued, but more frightening and "real" because of it, too. Certainly not the "Dr. Drakken" voice I was anticipating. I liked it, or at least, it worked well with that version of the Joker.


The Jonah Hex short was pretty cool, too. Great voice over work from Thomas Jane.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:29 PM

Oh oh oh.
In the tradition of Owl Woods, somebody totally needs to edit Nightwing Patrick Harris using some audio from Harold and Kumar.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:34 PM

Watched it this evening. I loved it. I'm not sure what to think about the Joker's VA though. I'm not used to the Joker being so...subdued. But in any case, I loved it.

Problem though, I know there's a co-worker of mine who's going to ask me about it tomorrow and I'm not sure what to say. I mean, I loved it. But my very first Batman graphic novel was "Death in the Family." So I know who Jason Todd is. But I'm not sure how much someone would enjoy it if they have no idea who Jason Todd is. Not sure how much they'd enjoy it if they don't at least have that bit of info. Any way, I'm definetly going to have to find some way to recommend it. It's just way too good.

Oh, and one more thing. This fall, Superman/Batman Apocalypse? Retelling Supergirl's introduction story (which I also have that graphic novel too)? Kevin freaking Conroy? Summer Glau? They had me at 'hello.' icon-silverbolt.gif
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 12:54 AM

almost picked it up today... great little story about batman's second tragedy
With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 10:08 AM

So I finally got a chance to watch this last night. Let me just say, that this was an awesome animated film! Joker wasn't all that great IMO, but he worked for the story. I guess 'm just used to the three previous versions of the joker. Although the Prison scenes with him in it were great.


QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Jul 27 2010, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Jonah Hex short was pretty cool, too. Great voice over work from Thomas Jane.


Yeah, that was awesome!


QUOTE(Caldwin @ Jul 27 2010, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, and one more thing. This fall, Superman/Batman Apocalypse? Retelling Supergirl's introduction story (which I also have that graphic novel too)? Kevin freaking Conroy? Summer Glau? They had me at 'hello.' icon-silverbolt.gif



Not too mention Tim Daly as Superman! Definitely looking forward to this!

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 12:29 PM

I had to go to Amazon and save a buck... Mine still isn't here.

If Tim isn't in it, then one of my favorite moments of the story isn't in the movie. When Red Hood comes and beats up Robin and then pulls off his helmet and reveals that he wears a freaking Robin mask under his Red Hood helmet.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 12:46 AM

QUOTE(Axaday @ Jul 30 2010, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had to go to Amazon and save a buck... Mine still isn't here.

If Tim isn't in it, then one of my favorite moments of the story isn't in the movie. When Red Hood comes and beats up Robin and then pulls off his helmet and reveals that he wears a freaking Robin mask under his Red Hood helmet.


Well, it's there but... without Tim.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 03:05 AM

I love Tim, Tim is my favorite character, I want Tim in every book. But adding him to this would be superfluous and waste time.

The story where he first met Jason wasn't even in Batman or Robin, it was just some filler issue of Teen Titans which was just as dedicated to Jason wondering why he never got a statue (and, no real explanation for why not). Then after Jason pouts and Tim blacks out, Tim wakes up and Jason is gone and none of them fell out the window at all.

Wearing the mask under the helmet makes sense as far as identification him as Robin. What's silly is when he kept doing it in other stories.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 03:09 AM

New Frontier, Crisis on Two Earths, and Under the Red Hood are the three best so far.