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@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

http://i.imgur.com/qeoJpsf.jpg

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.


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Posted 07 July 2010 - 09:01 AM

I haven't really been following the WST stuff, but does it incur the same level of debate and rage as other knock-off companies like iGear and their shrunken MP Prime and fangroups like FP?

If not, why? How is this any different than what the above groups do?

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 12:18 PM

Probably a combination of vastly reduced scale and much older (and not in production) toys gives them more of a pass. Takara is still churning out MP Optimus runs, and iGear's knockoff isn't teeny-tiny.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 12:21 PM

I can't wait for the red, white and blue repaint!

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 01:49 PM

Stupid people who bought all those black Shadow Warrior boxformers. Look what you did. Now we'll probably see this sort of thing happen all the time.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 07 July 2010 - 02:10 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Jul 7 2010, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't really been following the WST stuff, but does it incur the same level of debate and rage as other knock-off companies like iGear and their shrunken MP Prime and fangroups like FP?

If not, why? How is this any different than what the above groups do?


Sure, it's a stolen mold. However, it's pratically bubble gum sized toys from a line most people don't bother with, and from a line that's long abandoned by Takara, and never used by Hasbro. Most people didn't even notice when they released an Acid Storm colored KO WST Starscream a few months ago.

Heck, I still keep hoping for AM Thundercracker and SG Optimus redecos!

Edited by mignash, 07 July 2010 - 02:11 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2010 - 03:33 PM

One of the dealers at ICON has an offering of WST knockoffs at his table every year, so make of that what you will; I have a teeny-tiny G1 Devastator that's about the same size as ROTF Legends Devastator as a result.

Edited by ShinRa Inc, 07 July 2010 - 03:34 PM.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 03:50 PM

So because these are older and less produced molds (what about the reissues though?) its all good? Ok, gotcha.

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Jul 7 2010, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So because these are older and less produced molds (what about the reissues though?) its all good? Ok, gotcha.

You've conflated two ideas here. They are based on toys that are older molds, and also really, really, really, really tiny compared to those molds (which is important and you've missed it). What's less-produced is the Smallest TF toys they're designed to work with and are occasionally also based on, which are a line that was only ever done by Takara and was completely abandoned. So there's a general feeling of "who cares?" regarding not only the knockoff issue, but to a certain extent the existence of the toys at all (therefore less buzz, therefore fewer opportunities for the people who do get mad about it to throw fits).

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Posted 07 July 2010 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Jul 7 2010, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So because these are older and less produced molds (what about the reissues though?) its all good? Ok, gotcha.


No, I said because these are older and less produced molds, no one really cares. There is a difference.

Certainly when it comes to KOs, Hasbro's least concern are molds that they never used, and they publically stated they NEVER plan to use. I'm sure if they could they'd ask for a license for these toys like they did the WST Dinobots.

The only time I have heard the famdom give a hoot was when the first Magnus, Thundercracker and Skywarps hit the market and some morons tried to sell them as the real thing, since those were chase figures, which sold for like $80. Since then people know these are KOs and not to pay that for them. They are slightly different colors from the real things, so a collector can tell the difference.

Edited by mignash, 07 July 2010 - 05:17 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2010 - 01:05 PM

The Magnus has landed! The Magnus has landed!





I didn't realize he has ball-jointed elbows. I think it has slightly more articulation than the G1 toy!

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 06:05 AM

Prices on these seem to be leveling off to a reasonable level now. I just picked up the GiTD WST Magnus with $26 with shipping included. The G1 color version is commanding a bit more still, but dropping. I look forward to checking it out personally. If the G1 version gets under $30, I'll pick it up too.


Edited by mignash, 30 August 2010 - 06:07 AM.


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Posted 30 August 2010 - 10:35 AM

This would be cool to have to hang out with my micro master Hot Rod but I don't have a WST Magnus...

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 30 August 2010 - 11:45 AM

QUOTE(Smitty @ Aug 30 2010, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This would be cool to have to hang out with my micro master Hot Rod but I don't have a WST Magnus...


These toys come with the white cab (or black cab, or glow in the dark cab, whatever matches the trailer). You don't need to get a chase White Smallest Convoy toy to use them.


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Posted 30 August 2010 - 11:46 AM

I would like a blue-cab Powered Convoy version please.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 12:23 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Aug 30 2010, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Smitty @ Aug 30 2010, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This would be cool to have to hang out with my micro master Hot Rod but I don't have a WST Magnus...


These toys come with the white cab (or black cab, or glow in the dark cab, whatever matches the trailer). You don't need to get a chase White Smallest Convoy toy to use them.
So where do I get one?

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 30 August 2010 - 03:17 PM

ebay - just search for WST magnus

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 09:15 AM

Prices have now obtained a nice level for the G1 colored version, I won one last nigth for $4.75 plus $24 shipping. That's under $30 with shipping, so that's inline with the WST Blaster and Shockwave toys. I'm looking forward to getting it.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Aug 15 2010, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't realize he has ball-jointed elbows. I think it has slightly more articulation than the G1 toy!

Same amount of articulation, just a different way of going about it.
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Posted 19 September 2010 - 07:31 PM

This version of the toy seems to have holes on the fists of the small Magnus robot and the guns have pegs, unlike the Takara version which has no holes in the fists, and the guns clip on the forearms.

Oddly the Music Label KO Magnus is built like the Takara version with clips for the guns. So this guy improved on the mold, while at the same time making it easy to tell his version from the original.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 10:09 PM

I picked up a display stand at Dollar Tree today that has a light in it that cycles through several colors. It's meant for displaying crystals. It makes a great display for WST glow in the dark Magnus. Sorta spooky around Halloween.


Edited by mignash, 16 October 2010 - 10:10 PM.