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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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Posted 13 June 2010 - 05:41 PM

Made by the same guys who made the WST G2 Optimus Prime, and the WST Music Label trailer, we are going to be getting a WST Ultra Magnus trailer.These guys also make a bootleg Magnus cab, so don't worry if you don't have a real one. From the size of the cab, I'd guess it to stand about 4 inches tall, about the size of a Legends toy. Here are pictures of the prototype:

I picked up the G2 Optimus with trailer, roller, extending arm and stickers from this guy last month for under $7!



I still need the WST Music Label one:


Edited by mignash, 27 July 2012 - 08:41 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2010 - 05:59 PM

Call me back when they do it for Masterpiece. ;D

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:05 PM

It would be neat if they can just take that mold and multiply the size by about 5 or 6 for Masterpiece. Still, this will make an excellent Legends G1 Ultra Magnus.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:07 PM

... Is that a fake tiny iPod to go with the Music Label trailer?
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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:10 PM

Yes, just like there is a fake tiny soundbox on G2 Optimus Prime.

I wonder if they will make a fake Pepsi Prime some day?

Edited by mignash, 13 June 2010 - 06:13 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jun 13 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, just like there is a fake tiny soundbox on G2 Optimus Prime.

I wonder if they will make a fake Pepsi Prime some day?

With fake tiny cans of Pepsi?

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jun 13 2010, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I picked up the G2 Optimus with trailer, roller, extending arm and stickers from this guy last month for under $7!

For that price, I guess Ultra Magnus will be affordable. (that G2 trailer is sweet.) how much was shipping?
It's good that we'll finally have a WSTF Ultra Magnus that's actually obtainable unlike the previously existing one.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jun 13 2010, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It would be neat if they can just take that mold and multiply the size by about 5 or 6 for Masterpiece. Still, this will make an excellent Legends G1 Ultra Magnus.


Uhm... Even if they could make this mold to hold Masterpiece UM, it really wouldn't be all that great. First, Masterpiece UM's bulk wouldn't likely be supported a super sized version of the original mold. Plus, it really wouldn't be a Masterpiece level product anymore.

Now if this (or something like it) would be much better in my book.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 06:51 PM

Smallest Magnus trailer? Count me in. icon-hotrod.gif I missed the one(s) somebody had at BotCon 2005. I appreciate the detail to the normal sized one, but those are some teeeeeeny fists.

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 07:25 PM

QUOTE(Chaotic Descent @ Jun 13 2010, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(mignash @ Jun 13 2010, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I picked up the G2 Optimus with trailer, roller, extending arm and stickers from this guy last month for under $7!

For that price, I guess Ultra Magnus will be affordable. (that G2 trailer is sweet.) how much was shipping?
It's good that we'll finally have a WSTF Ultra Magnus that's actually obtainable unlike the previously existing one.


I paid $19 for 3 different KO WST products together (G2 Starscream, G2 Ramjet and G2 Optimus), shipping incluced. So I did the math and figured Optimus to be under $7.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...em=320530677802

When he makes a new mold, it usually costs more, then as they sell, he lowers to cost to what the market bares, and then makes a redeco and sells it for more, again slowly dropping over the months. I hope we get a shining Magnus and a Diaclone Magnus from this.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 08:23 AM

Every one of these is amazing. And lucky me, guess which Smallest TF I ended up with two of?

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 04:10 PM

So far this guy has sold 4 or 5 unpainted prototypes from his ebay stores. So I guess it's coming along. I might have to pick up the ipod one before this comes out though so I have one of each trailer.

He does have a Pepsi Prime one, but it's just the G1 trailer with a Pepsi sticker, not the different Pepsi bottle holding trailer.

Edited by mignash, 19 June 2010 - 04:11 PM.


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QUOTE(mignash @ Jun 13 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, just like there is a fake tiny soundbox on G2 Optimus Prime.

I wonder if they will make a fake Pepsi Prime some day?

With fake tiny cans of Pepsi?



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Posted 19 June 2010 - 05:17 PM

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Posted 19 June 2010 - 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Smitty @ Jun 13 2010, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(mignash @ Jun 13 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, just like there is a fake tiny soundbox on G2 Optimus Prime.

I wonder if they will make a fake Pepsi Prime some day?

With fake tiny cans of Pepsi?



Coke?

Make it an RC and I'm sold.


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Posted 19 June 2010 - 09:01 PM

RC Cola is reserved for female Transformers.

Give KO Optimus Faygo or Towne Club.

Edited by mignash, 19 June 2010 - 09:01 PM.


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I'm sold.
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Posted 20 June 2010 - 12:58 PM

Laws yes, M-O-O-N that spells AWESOME! I just recently bought the WST G2 Prime trailer along with WST G2 Ramjet and Starscream for 18$ shipped and I cannot praise these enough. Looking forward to this!
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Here is the first colored version of the mold. An all black version, as Powered Convoy Black. Weird choice for the first toy.




Edited by mignash, 07 July 2010 - 05:18 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2010 - 08:54 AM

Its annoying that this the first color choice, but...I'm just glad that we're getting a proper WST Ultra Magnus. I don't know if any of the rest have you done this just for kicks but try setting up your WST with your normal City Bots. The scale is so cool.