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@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)


@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.


Prowl's Various customs and part additions.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 04:00 PM

Got the idea for Thunderwing from a couple digibashes(at least I think they were) I had seen some time ago using the movie Megatron mold. I like the idea of Thunderwing's size being more comparable to other leader figures in the classics line so I went with the movie voyager Megatron mold instead of the leader.

I resculpted the wings cutting and sanding them down then used modeling putty to finish them. Added the extra knee spikes using black Millput. The chest was cut from the existing chestplate for the mold, sanded down and more putty added smooth it out a little better.

He was then painted using various colors of Krylon Fusion and Testors Model Master paints for the details. Then Reprolabels Decepticon stickers to finish him off.

Hes still not quite finished as I need to paint the hands and sand down the inside of the gauntlets so the hands slide back a little farther but overall I'm quite pleased. Also want to go back and rework the red cockpit area so it looks a little more coherent.

Energon cookie to the person who can guess where the hands and cockpit came from. icon-fire.gif

Edited by Prowl, 10 May 2010 - 04:37 PM.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 04:12 PM

Sideswipe has the leg mod to look more destinctive from sunstreaker and added paint details to the legs.

The launcher was made from a G1 Sideswipe launcher cut down to be a little shorter and put back together with Millput and Guerrilla Glue so it does not fire.

The backpack was taken from a THS 02 Convoy set that was broken, moded with the original engine accessory with millput and has added holes added to the sides to hold the shoulder cannon and gun for weapon storage in robot mode and overall variety of cannon placement. It also adds a weapon pack to vehicle mode to hold the added parts as well as being a throwback to his G2 days in a sense.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 04:18 PM

Prowl is painted to look more like his G1 toy. Always thought the initial figure was a little bland.

Krylon fusion was used for the black and silver details as well as the yellow highlights. A mix of testors blue and white was used on the headlights. And Reprolabels to finish of the look.

Added a nightstick from a KO Alt. Prowl to give him an extra weapon, as I always liked the idea of his energon nightstick.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 04:27 PM

Roadbuster uses the repaint of the Universe repaint with tome modded G1 Roadbuster weapons to fit the various minicon ports on his arms. I moded the energon key storage area on his leg to fit the rifle in vehicle mode. Also added a storage area for his knife behind his arm when not on use.

The extra parts like the head, Linear Blaster Gun, antenna, and grenades on the side of his leg were all taken from a small non transforming Mugen Calibur figure and fitted to the figure. They were dyed to at least make them a slight shade of green for the figure. The label sheet was also used to give Roadbuster some of his sticker details.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 04:29 PM

Short and sweet. Sanded a handle down on a Starsaber minicon so it could fit in Hot Shots hand as he's just not complete without his blade of destiny. icon-fire.gif

Edited by Prowl, 10 May 2010 - 04:30 PM.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 04:35 PM

The Star Saber mod makes me jealous. Nice work.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE(Prowl @ May 10 2010, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Short and sweet. Sanded a handle down on a Starsaber minicon so it could fit in Hot Shots hand as he's just not complete without his blade of destiny. icon-fire.gif

Why didn't you just sand out the inside of Hot Shot's hand so he can use any 5mm handle? That's what I did, at any rate. It doesn't require sacrificing a Starsaber, either. I sanded the forearm holes to 5mm on my Classics version, too, since he doesn't have anything to plug in there.

Edited by Spark, 10 May 2010 - 07:32 PM.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 07:39 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ May 10 2010, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why didn't you just sand out the inside of Hot Shot's hand so he can use any 5mm handle? That's what I did, at any rate. It doesn't require sacrificing a Starsaber, either. I sanded the forearm holes to 5mm on my Classics version, too, since he doesn't have anything to plug in there.

As funny as this is going to sound given the topic I really try not to mod the figures themselves in case I happen to need to get rid of the figure at some point. Besides I have only one Henkei Hotshot and tons of starsabers, that particular moded minicon was found by himself at a garage sale so I felt it was justified, and with Hotshot there allready having two cannons I don't feel the need to give him another gun or weapon in general, so hes complete.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 07:14 AM

*inhales deeply* RoadbusterRoadbusterRoadbusterRoadbusterROADBUSTERROADBUSTERROADBUSTERROADBUSTER!
The others are nice, too. But... ROADBUSTER!

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 07:44 AM

Sweet Primus, those Roadbuster and Sideswipe accessories/mods are awesome, and I really like the "energon nightstick" for Prowl. I hope you wouldn't be offended if I follow your example with my own customizing. I did notice the legs on Sideswipe, but the "leg mod" is news to me. What does it entail?

That cockpit bubble on Thunderwing looks SO damn familiar somehow...it's gonna bug me until I figger it out.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:23 AM

Why does that Thunderwing work there's now way it should I don't know anymore

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 09:13 AM

Nice work. I was thinking of doing a Thunderwing custom like that but I think I'm going to try something different. Looks like BW Inferno's butt on top of the alt mode? I guess they could be Inferno's hands too.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:17 PM

In relation to how that cockpit "bugs..." is that BW Inferno's ass? icon-fire.gif
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