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@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that timeline after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same timeline.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o


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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:45 AM

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I don't know anything about the comics, but I'm sure plenty of you all do. I am, however, happy to see another DC show on CN.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:50 AM

Excellent. I'm stoked to see Conner in a cartoon. icon-silverbolt.gif icon-silverbolt.gif

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:52 AM

I'm glad that this is just called Young Justice, not Young Justice League like we first heard. The designs look nice, and since it includes Conner, and what are presumably Bart and Tim, there's no way I could not watch this.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:53 AM

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:22 PM

Aqualad's black now?

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:48 PM

Who is this Artemis person?

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:52 PM

Is this the Superboy that showed up after the death of Superman? Isn't he a clone of Kal-El?

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 01:01 PM

Looks like Artemis is an amalgam of Arrowette and Speedy, with possibly a little Wonder Girl in the mix ("Artemis" being Greek).

Aqualad is a surprise, but I guess they needed a token black kid since YJ is pretty whitebread (and they can't include Cyborg like the Teen Titans comics did, since he's not a teen when Connor exists).

And yay: Bart and M'gann in the same show! This promises to be hilarious.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 01:33 PM

New Aqualad icon-screamer.gif I would have preferred Lagoon Boy over this new character. Sigh. He better not be named Garth. Miss Martian could have filled his slot for proper representation, I think.

I hope this is Peter David's Young Justice 'fun' Kon-El instead of Geoff John's Teen Titans 'stern' Connor.

From the other shows, Firebreather? I collected the first mini. I can't believe he actually has a TV show.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 01:45 PM

That's sweet, Tim was always my favorite Robin

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 01:46 PM

I'd bet Artemis is basically going to be Ravager in all but name.

Also, that people will be using "Blaqualad" all over the internet very soon. (I'm so sorry.)
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 05:01 PM

And Greg Weisman involved, marvelous.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:58 PM

any chance theshow might be done inthe same animation style of the dcau continuity?

don know about you guys but i will literally shot a brick and eat it if they somehow manage to build it into the dcau continuity

personally i could see it taking place somewhere between the end of justice league unlimited and before batman beyond

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE(deathgojulas @ Apr 21 2010, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
any chance theshow might be done inthe same animation style of the dcau continuity?

don know about you guys but i will literally shot a brick and eat it if they somehow manage to build it into the dcau continuity

personally i could see it taking place somewhere between the end of justice league unlimited and before batman beyond


I doubt it; but I kinda find it interesting that Tim Drake is wearing what looks like a modified version of his Gotham Knights outfit, lacking any green that Robin outfits usually have to some degree.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 02:25 AM

Dagnabit. Why Kid Flash and not Impulse? He's better not start out as Ultra-Solemn-Teen-Titans Bart.
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Look at his hair color. He's probably Wally.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:29 AM

I think the "serious"vibe is just because they're all posed for the poster. M'gann is the only one who doesn't look pissed off. She's the Holger Fath of YJ. icon-fire.gif

QUOTE(SwiftEagle @ Apr 21 2010, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd bet Artemis is basically going to be Ravager in all but name.

What makes you say that? Her costume pretty clearly evokes Green Arrow (and thus Speedy [though a more traditional look than the Red and Yellow outfit she's been wearing in the comics), and her earlier working name was a YJ-era accurate Arrowette, both of whom are more appropriate characters for a kids' TV show than Ravager.

Arrowette was pushed into superheroics by her mom, and eventually learned to become her own person. The newest Speedy is a timid, self-conscious rookie who must gradually learn to assert herself. Ravager is a victim of parental abuse who seeks bloody vengeance, and must learn to follow the group's rules. Two of them are good template characters for a childrens' TV series. One of them isn't.

(Yes, I know BtAS/JLU could've gotten away with Ravager, but it was older-audience fare that aired [in some markets at least] as a prime-time series. A show with teenaged leads is going to be a family-friendly show. Expect this to air on Saturday mornings.)

Ravager may well show up later into the show, but they wouldn't put an anger-driven avenger as a lead in the pilot.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 11:56 AM

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Is this the Superboy that showed up after the death of Superman? Isn't he a clone of Kal-El?



Correct. Kon-El/Conner Kent is clone of both Superman and Lex Luthor.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 01:06 PM

Man, I'm more interested in Generator Rex and Sym-Bionic Titan. (Giant robot show by Genndy? SIGN ME THE HUG UP!)



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