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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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#1 Undead Scottsman

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 03:04 AM

Apparently Nintendo threw this up on their website just to make the internet explode.

http://www.nintendo....010/100323e.pdf


3D without glasses? Craaaaaazzzyyy.

Hopefully it'll fare better than the Virtual Boy.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 03:09 AM

...wait what?

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 03:23 AM

I can only imagine what crazy concept ideas people will come up with before it's actually shown. Some of those fan concepts of the DS got pretty odd, before we saw how easy a portable with two screens could be done.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 05:34 AM

QUOTE(Shinki @ Mar 23 2010, 03:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can only imagine what crazy concept ideas people will come up with before it's actually shown. Some of those fan concepts of the DS got pretty odd, before we saw how easy a portable with two screens could be done.


It's probably going to use 3d laptop tech. Stuff with a limited viewing range and angle is kind of a pain on a laptop screen with multiple viewers, but perfect for a solo gaming device like the ds.

I expect the casing to be nearly identical to the DSi/DSiXL.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 07:20 AM

uh wow. Way to hamstring DSiXL sales.

Of course, this announcement shows why I was waiting in the first place, but I digress.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 07:26 AM

QUOTE(Rhinox @ Mar 23 2010, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
uh wow. Way to hamstring DSiXL sales.

Of course, this announcement shows why I was waiting in the first place, but I digress.


You just know when the 3DS is released, they'll announce the 3DS XL a few weeks afterwards.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Rhinox @ Mar 23 2010, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
uh wow. Way to hamstring DSiXL sales.

Of course, this announcement shows why I was waiting in the first place, but I digress.


You just know when the 3DS is released, they'll announce the 3DS XL a few weeks afterwards.


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Posted 23 March 2010 - 08:39 AM

I was skeptical of the touch screen when it was announced, so I'm skeptical here. Let's hope Nintendo can do it right icon-waspy.gif

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 08:50 AM

No no, you have it all wrong. After the 3DS it'll be the 3DS lite, then the 3DSi and then the 3DSi XL.
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Posted 23 March 2010 - 09:21 AM

It could use an extended version of this technique:



It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.

I'm really hoping the recently announced Gen V of Pokemon is moved to this system... the first two games might only be able to get a partial port, using the 3DS features only for some parts of the game. But releasing such a major title on a soon-to-be defunct system (even considering the 3DS will have backwards compatibility) could be a mistake. The 3rd version is almost certainly going to be a 3DS-exclusive that makes full use of the hardware.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 23 March 2010 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2010 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.


I think it will be very similar to this, except use the camera in conjunction
with motion tracking software like WordFu on the iPhone does for simulated
3D. That said, I want to know how they're going to up the graphics ability
of the 3DS while remaining backwards compatible.
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Posted 23 March 2010 - 10:35 AM

QUOTE(PiratedTVPro @ Mar 23 2010, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.


I think it will be very similar to this, except use the camera in conjunction
with motion tracking software like WordFu on the iPhone does for simulated
3D. That said, I want to know how they're going to up the graphics ability
of the 3DS while remaining backwards compatible.


Well the DS improved graphics quite a bit while maintaining backwards compatibility with the GBA... they pretty much just kept all the GBA hardware in the unit, didn't they? Apparently it's all still in the DSi as well, even if lacks a slot-2 to make use of it (awful).

Supposedly this could be as powerful, graphically, as the Gamecube. In conjunction with 3-D without the hassle of glasses, it could be a massive success. Of course there are tons of people already complaining, but that also happened before the release of the original DS and we all know how that turned out. Hard to believe there was a time when people thought dual-screen handheld gaming "couldn't work", lol.

I'm hoping a port of Super Mario Sunshine is announced as a launch title... every older Mario title has already been ported to a handheld, and it's tended to be in order of original generation.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 23 March 2010 - 10:36 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2010 - 10:38 AM

QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It could use an extended version of this technique:

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It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.

I'm really hoping the recently announced Gen V of Pokemon is moved to this system... the first two games might only be able to get a partial port, using the 3DS features only for some parts of the game. But releasing such a major title on a soon-to-be defunct system (even considering the 3DS will have backwards compatibility) could be a mistake. The 3rd version is almost certainly going to be a 3DS-exclusive that makes full use of the hardware.


This is actually the start of the hype up for the release of the new system, I'm thinking for the holiday season/fall. Gen V Pokemon will have been coded for this system and there are rumors/speculation of it(pokemon) being a launch title.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 10:41 AM

hmmm I can't remember where but I've read several times that the next DS is going to have accelerometers (like the wii, and Iphone) perhaps that will be used to help aid with that 3d effect

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 10:41 AM

QUOTE(Sage of Lightning @ Mar 23 2010, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm thinking for the holiday season/fall. Gen V Pokemon will have been coded for this system and there are rumors/speculation of it(pokemon) being a launch title.


All that's been said so far about "when", is that it'll be before the end of March 2011.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 11:16 AM

QUOTE(PiratedTVPro @ Mar 23 2010, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.


I think it will be very similar to this, except use the camera in conjunction
with motion tracking software like WordFu on the iPhone does for simulated
3D.


Word has it they're using one of Sharp's Parallax Barrier LCDs. They haven't been used in many things because they're not particularly effective on screens larger than 4" diagonally, but for a DSi-sized system, I don't think that's an issue.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 06:05 PM

QUOTE(awa64 @ Mar 23 2010, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Word has it they're using one of Sharp's Parallax Barrier LCDs. They haven't been used in many things because they're not particularly effective on screens larger than 4" diagonally, but for a DSi-sized system, I don't think that's an issue.

Indeed, this article's a pretty good summary of what you and TM2-Megatron just posted: Eurogamer
I might just get this one right away, never ever got a DS and still sort of want one.

Still, Nintendo may be on a roll right now, but they're still responsible for stinkers like the Virtual Boy so I'll try not to get too excited.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 06:19 PM

I'm liking the sound of that Parallax Barrier LCD tech for potential 3DS use... or perhaps a slightly more advanced version of it. Motion tracking via a camera or sensor isn't really feasible for something that's going to be widely-implemented in a handheld. Personally I don't want to have to be waving the thing around like an idiot if I happened to be using it on a train or airplane, lol; and the reliance on a well-lit playing area could get annoying, as well.

The article awa64 linked to was written 6 years ago; the implemention of 3D displalys has to have improved quite a bit since then... it seems the main focuses on that technology should be to increase the viewing areas from which a user(s) can perceive the effect. While I get the need for Nintendo to use relatively cheaper components to keep costs down, hopefully the displays they end up using give off a good stereoscopic effect. I'd think a 3.8 inch screen should probably be big enough for them... enough of an increase from the DSi, without exceeding the 4 inches that starts to stretch the ability of these screens to function effectively.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 23 March 2010 - 06:23 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2010 - 07:10 PM

QUOTE(BlitzwingHaz @ Mar 23 2010, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(awa64 @ Mar 23 2010, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Word has it they're using one of Sharp's Parallax Barrier LCDs. They haven't been used in many things because they're not particularly effective on screens larger than 4" diagonally, but for a DSi-sized system, I don't think that's an issue.

Indeed, this article's a pretty good summary of what you and TM2-Megatron just posted: Eurogamer
I might just get this one right away, never ever got a DS and still sort of want one.

Still, Nintendo may be on a roll right now, but they're still responsible for stinkers like the Virtual Boy so I'll try not to get too excited.


The Virtual Boy is the only "stinker" Nintendo's ever released. Go ahead and get excited.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 07:12 PM

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It could use an extended version of this technique:



Yes, please!

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