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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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Posted 01 February 2010 - 08:25 PM

In an effort to do more that simply post pictures here at the Allspark, Powered Convoy and I will be updating this thread frequently with our most recently finished galleries. Feel free to make comments about the pictures, discuss the figures or even make photo requests. To get things started, here are the 8 galleries from this week:

Animated Deluxe Cybertron Mode Autobot Ratchet
Animated Deluxe Waspinator
Animated Deluxe Jazz
Animated Voyager Skywarp
Animated Voyager Sunstorm (Target Exclusive)
Animated Activator Ratchet (Target Exclusive)
Alternity A-02 Megatron (Diamond Black)
ROTF Deluxe Infiltration Soundwave

Edited by Onyx Minor, 04 July 2010 - 02:28 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2010 - 09:04 PM

I know this isn't exactly what we talked about, but what kind of stand are you using for Sunstorm?

I hate (read:love) looking at your Alternity pictures. It makes me want to spend money I know I should not spend. icon-waspy.gif They look pretty poseable from what I see here, but I was wondering if there were any downsides to them. Anything about them you don't like?

From the original thread regarding Ratchet:

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QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Jan 31 2010, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really nice gallery OM! I'm liking the look of this figure more than the original Ratchet. Do you prefer one to the other?

Randy



Thanks, Randy! Well, I like the original simply because it evokes the essence of all the character was for most of the show. This version has a younger, happier look to it. I should have included a side by side face shot to show the difference, but it is pretty visible here. This version is neat because it looks younger and stronger, with the complete crest on the head etc. I also really like the articulation, as he is super posable. The transformation is fun and decently challenging for this size and line.

Ultimately, I like them both for different reasons, but I would fidget with this one more due to novelty. I sure hope we get Ironhide down the road, because he would look great as this mold. The rear bumper/shock paddles make for a neat weapon. Before I finish, the EMP from Lockdown fits way better on this mold than the original.


Now, while I am at it, Randy and I have been backlogged, and we have a bit of catching up to do on older molds. I realize many of you may have them already, but we are going to do our best to catch up while we wait for the new stuff to start showing up. So, here is:

Animated Deluxe Waspinator

Makes me sad we did not get more beasts from Animated (there is never enough), especially a Buzzsaw (You listening, Hasbro?)


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Posted 01 February 2010 - 09:37 PM

The stand is a clear robot stand from HLJ. I don't remember exactly which one. I need to dig it out again, as I haven't used it in a while.

Alternity is really combines most of the best elements from the car Transformers in Binaltech, Movie 2007, and Universe 2008 in one. I love this line and it is by far my favorite at the moment. As much as I love Universe, figures like Sunstreaker and Sideswipe (which are some of my favorites) just look cheap compared to Alternity Convoy & Megatron.

I don't have any issues with my figures, except my silver Megatron's ankle has gotten real loose, but I think that's just bad luck on mine (and this is months and months after I got him).

They really are excellent. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:54 PM

ROTF Deluxe Dirge

HA: Barricade and ROTF Bludgeon coming soon. icon-ironhide.gif

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:02 PM

Alternity A-03 Bumble (Champion Yellow)
Alternity A-03 Cliff (Supreme Red Pearl)

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:07 PM





Expect MP-08X King Grimlock & MP-01B Convoy Black soon...

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 10:28 PM

Cliffjumper looks drool-worthy. icon-ironhide.gif

Does BB have the same metallic paint that Cliffy seems to have? It is hard to tell.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:20 AM

No, BB doesn't have that metallic paint. His is a light yellow. It's a very nice color, but I didn't manage to photograph it to well. icon-screamer.gif

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 07:21 PM

Masterpiece MP8X King Grimlock









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Posted 11 February 2010 - 10:58 PM

ROFT Human Alliance Barricade with Frenzy!





I like Human Alliance Barricade a lot, but the hips are a disappointment. They are really limited because they are stuck at an angle. Otherwise, this is a beautiful figure with great features. Having Frenzy as a chest gunner looks awesome. icon-ironhide.gif

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 08:06 AM

That comparison shot is an excellent example to show how improved the Human Alliance figure is compared to the original deluxe. icon-ironhide.gif I really love the HA figure.

King Grimlock's bio for those who wanted to read it.



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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:12 PM

ROTF Voyager Bludgeon



ROTF Deluxe Lockdown



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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:28 AM

Awesome galleries Onyx Minor! icon-ironhide.gif

I am really loving Lockdown. I much prefer this version to the Animated one.

Randy

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:37 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Mar 1 2010, 07:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Awesome galleries Onyx Minor! icon-ironhide.gif

I am really loving Lockdown. I much prefer this version to the Animated one.

Randy



Thanks! I like him a lot as well. Like everyone has been saying, due to his nature, I think he fits great with Classics, in spite of some of his design being movie aesthetic. I also love how they designed his inner thighs to rotate as you rotate the lower legs, he has a hook that won't break, hands that aren't posed inward and a really nice EMP generator. This is a great toy. icon-ironhide.gif

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 02:33 PM

OK, we've been on a little hiatus with real life things taking precedence, but here are 2 of the newest galleries. Randy has some awesome stuff we have not posted recently, and I am hoping he will add that in here soon as well.

Generations Deluxe Cybertronian Bumblebee
Generations Deluxe Cybertronian Optimus Prime

So awesome. icon-ironhide.gif




Anyhow, coming up are the rest of the Generations Wave 1 figures, Seaspray and the PCC figures as well. icon-ironhide.gif

Enjoy.