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@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

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@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.


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#961 Caldwin

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 03:30 PM

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So... Can anyone explain that time loop thing with Garland at the end of the first game and/or Chaos' master plan? Also, what "misunderstanding" led to Garland be expelled from knighthood? I know games like this used to have very little plot back in the day, but I'm curious if this plot has been expanded upon outside of the game.

Being that I played in on the PSP, most of my experience with FF 1 was like that of most mobile games. My playtime was short, few and far between. So the story to me was rather broken I'm afraid. But I'm sure the last part of what you said about games back then having very little plot should go far into explaining everything that needs explained. Stories didn't really start getting deep until the 16 bit era. Don't lose too much sleep trying to piece it together.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:07 AM

So the PS Network had a nice sale on Final Fantasy Games, and I went ahead and picked up Final Fantasy Origins, Final Fantasy IV+After Years, Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy VI, 7, 8, and 9.

I actually own every one of these, but with the ability to play all of them on my PSP, figured it was time to really sit down and play them.

So I'm going to play 1-10, 10-2, 12, 13, and 13-2. In that order.

In the past I've beaten 7, 8, 10, and 13. So I actually am going to have a good time at it.

So I'm now playing 1 and about to kill Lich for prolly the 20th time. I always get up to the Canoe, and then for some reason quit playing.

Really looking forward to playing the series over again. Granted that means I gotta actually pull out the DS and play 3....

Oh well, outta be fun.



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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:14 AM

3 was sooo much better on the iPad. Better graphics, don't have to rely on Mog mail from a server that no longer even exists for quests and the coveted Onion Knight job. If you have an iDevice, you may want to consider it.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:14 AM

I'm right at the end of Final Fantasy VII now, just doing some serious grinding and the Battle Square before I go take on Sephiroth.

Maybe I'll fight Emerald and Ruby Weapon sometime too, I dunno.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:34 AM

Having just acquired a copy of FF4 Complete (PSP) at last, I am now very torn. Do I bother with a 50+ hour run through of 4 (which I've cleared at least three times before), or just dive into the interlude and After Years...

Is there any in-game benefit to completing 4 before 4TAY on the disk?
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 11:24 AM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Mar 30 2012, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having just acquired a copy of FF4 Complete (PSP) at last, I am now very torn. Do I bother with a 50+ hour run through of 4 (which I've cleared at least three times before), or just dive into the interlude and After Years...

Is there any in-game benefit to completing 4 before 4TAY on the disk?

I've been on a PSP RPG buying kick lately, and FF4 complete was one of those I bought. However, at the time I was hip deep in a playthrough of FFIVDS. I finished up that playthrough, and will just tear into Interlude/After Years.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:28 AM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Mar 30 2012, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having just acquired a copy of FF4 Complete (PSP) at last, I am now very torn. Do I bother with a 50+ hour run through of 4 (which I've cleared at least three times before), or just dive into the interlude and After Years...

Is there any in-game benefit to completing 4 before 4TAY on the disk?

TAY is it's own game, so you don't copy over progress from 4. There is a ton of extra content on this version, though you may have already gotten that from the GBA version if you played that. The graphics are improved too, so there's a lot to get from revisiting.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:31 PM

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It was here I found Final Fantasy I-IX + Chrono Trigger spread across numerous PS1 collections for about $5 - $15 dollars each.


Except III which was never released for PS1.

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Yes. X is awesome. X-2 has a cooler system if you can get past the girly girl overtones. XII is very different in style but is also fun.

Technically I haven't beat the last two but I played through quite a lot of them. X-2 though I always get stuck at the same point about halfway through, where there's a rotating pit. Keep getting stuck and then don't know what to do next.

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It should be fun, since I've heard various good/bad things about some of the newer Final Fantasys, yet nothing about any of the pre-VI games.


If you like the chibi style at all and you enjoyed the FF1 remake, then you'll like IV and V. Very fun games. IV is near and dear to many people's hearts for being the first sequel FF released in the States.

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So... Can anyone explain that time loop thing with Garland at the end of the first game and/or Chaos' master plan? Also, what "misunderstanding" led to Garland be expelled from knighthood? I know games like this used to have very little plot back in the day, but I'm curious if this plot has been expanded upon outside of the game.


No, but even though it doesn't answer your questions, be aware that FFIX has some pretty blatant plot tie-ins to FF1. As well as throwbacks to a lot of other FF games.

Another side note...when you are done...if you are ever done...make a point to play Secret of Mana and Secret of Mana 2 (otherwise known as Seiken Densetsu 2 and 3). Probably you'll need to get the ROM of them unless the first one has come out in Wiiware. Not exactly like the SNES FF games, but masterpieces of the same era.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:58 PM

You'll definitely need to emulate Seiken Densetsu 3, unless you want to pay out the nose and can read Japanese, but it's most certainly a masterpiece.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:35 PM

FFIV isn't a true sequel to FF1. Quantum was just referring to how the game was marketed.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:17 PM

I really want to play TAY but not for $40 or whatever it ends up being...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 02:47 AM

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I really want to play TAY but not for $40 or whatever it ends up being...

more like $20.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:33 AM

I'm not sure I'd look for a tie in to other games just because of the inclusion of all those bosses. Seeing all of the bosses in there was pretty cool, but I don't think they're really insinuating any kind of shared universe.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 03:27 PM

Especially in the light of FFXIII-2's Coliseum bosses.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 07:44 PM

Re: Gilgamesh tying multiple FF game universes together

Actually, FFV's Gil was implied to be a dimensional drifter of sorts before After Years was released (why? how? that'd be a spoiler and I'm too lazy to look up the details). It's very probably the same guy, but his presence doesn't prove much of anything.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE(Asquian @ Apr 3 2012, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Quantumhawk @ Apr 2 2012, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really want to play TAY but not for $40 or whatever it ends up being...

more like $20.
http://www.amazon.co...e...9331&sr=8-1


Let me rephrase. I really wanted to get TAY for Wii but not for $45-50.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 05:22 AM

Alrighty, just got my Platinum for FFXIII-2. I think it's time to take a bit of a break, until the Lightning side-story DLC comes out.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 05:53 AM

I hope we don't have to wait too much longer. I've already moved on from XIII-2 just because the arena fights are getting boring...and as many times as I've fought Lightning...I still don't have her as one of my monsters.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 12:47 PM

Akira Toryiama did all the character designs in Chrono Trigger, hence the DBZ look.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 12:55 PM

Man is Advent Children a lot more frustrating after actually having played FF7.

I used to like it, now it makes me want to break things until Cloud and Sephiroth fight.
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