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#961 Caldwin

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 03:30 PM

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So... Can anyone explain that time loop thing with Garland at the end of the first game and/or Chaos' master plan? Also, what "misunderstanding" led to Garland be expelled from knighthood? I know games like this used to have very little plot back in the day, but I'm curious if this plot has been expanded upon outside of the game.

Being that I played in on the PSP, most of my experience with FF 1 was like that of most mobile games. My playtime was short, few and far between. So the story to me was rather broken I'm afraid. But I'm sure the last part of what you said about games back then having very little plot should go far into explaining everything that needs explained. Stories didn't really start getting deep until the 16 bit era. Don't lose too much sleep trying to piece it together.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:07 AM

So the PS Network had a nice sale on Final Fantasy Games, and I went ahead and picked up Final Fantasy Origins, Final Fantasy IV+After Years, Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy VI, 7, 8, and 9.

I actually own every one of these, but with the ability to play all of them on my PSP, figured it was time to really sit down and play them.

So I'm going to play 1-10, 10-2, 12, 13, and 13-2. In that order.

In the past I've beaten 7, 8, 10, and 13. So I actually am going to have a good time at it.

So I'm now playing 1 and about to kill Lich for prolly the 20th time. I always get up to the Canoe, and then for some reason quit playing.

Really looking forward to playing the series over again. Granted that means I gotta actually pull out the DS and play 3....

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:14 AM

3 was sooo much better on the iPad. Better graphics, don't have to rely on Mog mail from a server that no longer even exists for quests and the coveted Onion Knight job. If you have an iDevice, you may want to consider it.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:14 AM

I'm right at the end of Final Fantasy VII now, just doing some serious grinding and the Battle Square before I go take on Sephiroth.

Maybe I'll fight Emerald and Ruby Weapon sometime too, I dunno.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 10:34 AM

Having just acquired a copy of FF4 Complete (PSP) at last, I am now very torn. Do I bother with a 50+ hour run through of 4 (which I've cleared at least three times before), or just dive into the interlude and After Years...

Is there any in-game benefit to completing 4 before 4TAY on the disk?
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 11:24 AM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Mar 30 2012, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having just acquired a copy of FF4 Complete (PSP) at last, I am now very torn. Do I bother with a 50+ hour run through of 4 (which I've cleared at least three times before), or just dive into the interlude and After Years...

Is there any in-game benefit to completing 4 before 4TAY on the disk?

I've been on a PSP RPG buying kick lately, and FF4 complete was one of those I bought. However, at the time I was hip deep in a playthrough of FFIVDS. I finished up that playthrough, and will just tear into Interlude/After Years.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:53 AM

So far After Years is very tight,
Its like Advent Children done right!

At first I thought four's graphics were lame,
But now so far its my second favorite FF game!

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:28 AM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Mar 30 2012, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having just acquired a copy of FF4 Complete (PSP) at last, I am now very torn. Do I bother with a 50+ hour run through of 4 (which I've cleared at least three times before), or just dive into the interlude and After Years...

Is there any in-game benefit to completing 4 before 4TAY on the disk?

TAY is it's own game, so you don't copy over progress from 4. There is a ton of extra content on this version, though you may have already gotten that from the GBA version if you played that. The graphics are improved too, so there's a lot to get from revisiting.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:31 PM

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It was here I found Final Fantasy I-IX + Chrono Trigger spread across numerous PS1 collections for about $5 - $15 dollars each.


Except III which was never released for PS1.

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I may also try X, X-2, and XII if they're any good.


Yes. X is awesome. X-2 has a cooler system if you can get past the girly girl overtones. XII is very different in style but is also fun.

Technically I haven't beat the last two but I played through quite a lot of them. X-2 though I always get stuck at the same point about halfway through, where there's a rotating pit. Keep getting stuck and then don't know what to do next.

If you play X, the real fun is learning how to work the Battle System and farm your spheres. Play your cards right and your characters can deal 99,999 per hit. Then you're ready to finish the Monster Arena.

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It should be fun, since I've heard various good/bad things about some of the newer Final Fantasys, yet nothing about any of the pre-VI games.


If you like the chibi style at all and you enjoyed the FF1 remake, then you'll like IV and V. Very fun games. IV is near and dear to many people's hearts for being the first sequel FF released in the States.

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So... Can anyone explain that time loop thing with Garland at the end of the first game and/or Chaos' master plan? Also, what "misunderstanding" led to Garland be expelled from knighthood? I know games like this used to have very little plot back in the day, but I'm curious if this plot has been expanded upon outside of the game.


No, but even though it doesn't answer your questions, be aware that FFIX has some pretty blatant plot tie-ins to FF1. As well as throwbacks to a lot of other FF games.

Another side note...when you are done...if you are ever done...make a point to play Secret of Mana and Secret of Mana 2 (otherwise known as Seiken Densetsu 2 and 3). Probably you'll need to get the ROM of them unless the first one has come out in Wiiware. Not exactly like the SNES FF games, but masterpieces of the same era.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:58 PM

You'll definitely need to emulate Seiken Densetsu 3, unless you want to pay out the nose and can read Japanese, but it's most certainly a masterpiece.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Zecora @ Mar 4 2012, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was here I found Final Fantasy I-IX + Chrono Trigger spread across numerous PS1 collections for about $5 - $15 dollars each.


Except III which was never released for PS1.

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I may also try X, X-2, and XII if they're any good.


Yes. X is awesome. X-2 has a cooler system if you can get past the girly girl overtones. XII is very different in style but is also fun.

Technically I haven't beat the last two but I played through quite a lot of them. X-2 though I always get stuck at the same point about halfway through, where there's a rotating pit. Keep getting stuck and then don't know what to do next.

If you play X, the real fun is learning how to work the Battle System and farm your spheres. Play your cards right and your characters can deal 99,999 per hit. Then you're ready to finish the Monster Arena.

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It should be fun, since I've heard various good/bad things about some of the newer Final Fantasys, yet nothing about any of the pre-VI games.


If you like the chibi style at all and you enjoyed the FF1 remake, then you'll like IV and V. Very fun games. IV is near and dear to many people's hearts for being the first sequel FF released in the States.

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So... Can anyone explain that time loop thing with Garland at the end of the first game and/or Chaos' master plan? Also, what "misunderstanding" led to Garland be expelled from knighthood? I know games like this used to have very little plot back in the day, but I'm curious if this plot has been expanded upon outside of the game.


No, but even though it doesn't answer your questions, be aware that FFIX has some pretty blatant plot tie-ins to FF1. As well as throwbacks to a lot of other FF games.

Another side note...when you are done...if you are ever done...make a point to play Secret of Mana and Secret of Mana 2 (otherwise known as Seiken Densetsu 2 and 3). Probably you'll need to get the ROM of them unless the first one has come out in Wiiware. Not exactly like the SNES FF games, but masterpieces of the same era.


Yeah, I had to skip III but it doesn't seem liking I'm missing too much. IV was a truly awesome surprise for me, but is it really supposed to be a sequel like you said? I mean, there were some obvious throwbacks with the four elemental crystals and four fiends of element(Even though they were completely different from the ones in FF1), but is it really supposed to be set in the same universe as FF1?

I'm currently at the end of FFIV The After Years which I downloaded for the Wii immediately following beating IV. Apparently I'm going through rematches will all the bosses from IV, one by one. Its a little tedious, but I loved the attention they gave this game. Its awesome to see kinda an epilogue to what happened to all of these characters 17 years later. I hope they give a good explanation at the end to wrap up everything that's been happening throughout this game.

I definately pick up X, X-2 and XII when I get to them, but as expected, the task of playing through all the FF games in order is certainly taking awhile. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 08:35 PM

FFIV isn't a true sequel to FF1. Quantum was just referring to how the game was marketed.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 09:53 PM

Right, I forgot that IV was released as II when it first came out in the States. My bad.

This final dungeon in After Years is by far the longest final dungeon I've played through in a Final Fantasy game yet. Its been at least three times as long as the last dungeon in IV so far and I'm STILL not at the end, nor do I know the villain's motivation or even her/their name(s) yet. The eerie music and ruins at this point are really piquing my interest though.

I really hope this ends up having a satisfying payoff, as I've loved everything else about this sequel so far.

Edit: I'm fighting the four fiends from Final Fantasy 1 now?! Maybe they really do take place in the same universe!

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:17 PM

I really want to play TAY but not for $40 or whatever it ends up being...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 02:47 AM

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I really want to play TAY but not for $40 or whatever it ends up being...

more like $20.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:40 PM

This final dungeon in After Years just will not end! But the mystery only deapens the further I descend and I'm loving every moment of it. Spoiler tagged for people still wanting to play After Years.
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The villain(s), or minion(s) in the form of a young girl who works for the as-of-yet-unrevealed true villain of After Years have stolen the power of the lunar and blue planet crystals for some massive planetoid known as the Planet Eater which we've been slowly descending into in the hopes of stopping before it devours the world of FFIV.

Throughout the dungeon, the party has been encountering the stolen crystals which each contain the souls of deceased monsters and people forcibly resurected against their will to fight you, which basically meant refights with all of the main bosses from the original FFIV.

Then you encounter MORE crystals, this time the ones from FFI, containing the souls of the four fiends from that game. Not just random battles mind you, there's dialogue between the characters and the monsters refer to themselves by name.

Then more crystals containing bosses from FFII.

Then more crystals with more bosses, which I assume are from FFIII.

Eventually I ran into a crystal boss called Gilgamesh, who I looked up and confirmed was a boss from FFV, which I have not played yet. Dialogue, references to characters I don't know, all in the MAIN game of After Years. All mandatory boss fights.

So basically according to the plot so far, not only do the worlds of Final Fantasy I, II, II, IV, and V exist in the same universe, but the crystals from these planets were stolen to power the Planet Eater, which judging by the events of this game, DESTROYED those planets. And now the cast of IV is the last hope of stopping the Planet Eater, presumably because out of all the heroes in those games, they are the only ones with access to space travel(I assume, haven't played/spoiled myself to V yet).


Woah. There is no way the ending can possibly live up to the expectations I've built up in this final dungeon. And to think going into this game I just expected another rehashed fight with the final boss of IV...

Even though I haven't beat this game yet, I think its worth the $37 price tag to get the entire game for the Wii if like me, you don't own a PSP or avoid handheld gaming.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:33 AM

I'm not sure I'd look for a tie in to other games just because of the inclusion of all those bosses. Seeing all of the bosses in there was pretty cool, but I don't think they're really insinuating any kind of shared universe.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 03:27 PM

Especially in the light of FFXIII-2's Coliseum bosses.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 07:13 PM

Haven't even gotten close to playing XIII-2 yet, but I would think there are a few key differences in this instance:

HIGHLIGHT to view:

1. These boss fights are mandatory. They aren't part of some seperate side-quest or non-essential challenge, they are all required to progress in this final dugeon of the main storyline.

2. They are explained in the storyline. The first twelve floors or so of this dungeon are spent refighting deceased bosses resurrected in each of the eight crystals stolen from the world of FFIV. During each of these encounters the monster or person aknowledges their past and that they have been brought back against their will to fight the main cast. The cast similarly comments on these events.

When the cast starts to encounter crystals taken from other worlds, the same thing occurs. The Four Fiends from FFI aknowledge themselves, the main characters comment on them, and it is even explained the crystals the four fiends emerged from seem to correspond to the four elements.

The FFIII crystals are called dark crystals. Why? I don't know because I didn't play III. But I'll bet its explained in the storyline of III.

Gilgamesh refers to someone called "Bartz". I don't know who that is yet, but I'll bet its an important character from V. I'll also bet his presence as a deceased soul tied to a crystal from his world indicates Gilgamesh dies in in V(Thanks for the spoilers by the way After Years!). Not to mention Gilgamesh is an actual PERSON, not a monster brought back for some random boss fight.

We'll see how this plays out, but the game is explicitly saying these crystals were taken from other worlds like the eight which were taken from IV's world throughout this game. And if current events are any indication, these worlds were likely destroyed by the Planet Eater shortly thereafter.


If they were just bosses you fight and move on from, I would agree with you. But the entire storyline has centered around this particular plot point all game long. Time will tell.

Edited by Zecora, 04 April 2012 - 07:15 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2012 - 07:44 PM

Re: Gilgamesh tying multiple FF game universes together

Actually, FFV's Gil was implied to be a dimensional drifter of sorts before After Years was released (why? how? that'd be a spoiler and I'm too lazy to look up the details). It's very probably the same guy, but his presence doesn't prove much of anything.
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