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@  Whirl Maximus : (29 July 2016 - 01:20 PM)

IDW G1 has been a victim of it's own success.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.


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Transformers: The Facts?


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#1 Guest_mignash_*

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 11:54 PM

I was browsing a little archive of Marvel UK Transformers comics, from issue #200, but I found a little booklet called Transformers: The Facts. It's all about who is stronggest, fastest, etc. of the Transformers.


This page in particular intersted me, as I love Transformers scale issues.



Metroplex is officially 698 feet tall, and it seems to imply that Devastator is 100 feet tall.

How come I've never heard of this booklet before? I didn't see a thing about all the "facts" that it presents. Anyone want to see more pages? It has more fun facts scattered in it's pages, like what are Rack'n'Ruin's alt modes, who is the strongest transformer for his size, and bios and pictures of the Marvel Transformers artists.

Edited by mignash, 16 October 2009 - 06:42 AM.


#2 Shattered

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:04 AM

Great find. More scans, please.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:10 AM

Okay, it's only 12 pages. Here is the whole thing. Might be worth mentioning in trivia sections of the Wiki or something.

























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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:10 AM

More please, indeed. I've never heard of this.
Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:27 AM

I remember that from the UK comics, I got most of mine secondhand in the late 90's with the free gifts still attached. A lot of the gifts were cheesy trinkets like a little plastic magnifying glass, though.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 01:48 AM

It's kind of depressing reading that pre-multiversal singularity Primus/Unicron thing and seeing that that it made simple, perfect sense.

Well, as much sense as you can make of primal gods that leave their bodies and end up stuck inside planetoids... but you get what I mean. The MS doesn't really jibe with it at all.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 02:43 AM

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Well, as much sense as you can make of primal gods that leave their bodies and end up stuck inside planetoids... but you get what I mean. The MS doesn't really jibe with it at all.


Sure it does.

Primus and Unicron fought and shattered each other into neigh infinite pieces. A lot of said pieces apparently ended up inside planetoids that they reshaped and/or populated.

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#8 landbasered

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 03:11 AM

I disagree with a lot of this.

So, apparently grimlock is the strongest transformer now, stronger than metroplex or galvatron? And he is intelligent, but chooses to act dumb to seem stronger?

... I don't like G1. Its so inconsistent.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 04:35 AM

QUOTE(landbasered @ Oct 16 2009, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree with a lot of this.

So, apparently grimlock is the strongest transformer now, stronger than metroplex or galvatron? And he is intelligent, but chooses to act dumb to seem stronger?

... I don't like G1. Its so inconsistent.


Did you read all of it? It says he's the strongest one of his size class, but giants like Menasor are stronger.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 05:15 AM

Indeed. Reading IS fundamental...especially when you don't skip chunks *lol*

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 05:22 AM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 16 2009, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Well, as much sense as you can make of primal gods that leave their bodies and end up stuck inside planetoids... but you get what I mean. The MS doesn't really jibe with it at all.


Sure it does.

Primus and Unicron fought and shattered each other into neigh infinite pieces. A lot of said pieces apparently ended up inside planetoids that they reshaped and/or populated.



That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 06:39 AM

I know it's just my own personal fiction, but when I did my Transformers tabletop RPG the STRENGTH is relative to size - two guys with the same number the bigger one is stronger. So I'm kinda glad to see this makes sense. Grimlock is probably the strongest for his size.

Edited by mignash, 16 October 2009 - 06:46 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2009 - 07:12 AM

So what about Mini-Bot Brawn then. Physically weaker than Perceptor just because he's smaller?

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:05 AM

No. In the game (which I admit, I wrote, nothing official, but based on the Champions RPG rules) There is actually a formula in the RPG for strength based on STR stat from the tech spec, and I calculate it based on them being human height, then I apply the "growth" power bonus from the Champions RPG rules (which increase lifting ability 8 times for every doubling of height).

I think based Brawn is standing 16 feet tall, and Perceptor is 18 feet (again, just guessing). With their initial STR stats and the size bonus Brawn can lift 20 tons (because he has a STR 9), Perceptor 15 tons (he has a STR of 7). If they had been the same height Brawn would be able to lift much more than that, but Perceptor got more than Brawn for the height bonus. I think in the RPG Brawn ends up being the second strongest of the original '84 Autobots, behind Prime. Big guys like Jetfire, some Dinobots and Omega Supreme and such outclassed him in the '85 line. Jetfire was a case where his sheer SIZE demanded strength, despite having a STR of only 6. If Brawn had been the same size as Jetfire, Brawn would be stronger.

Edited by mignash, 16 October 2009 - 08:12 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:30 AM

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That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.


How so? icon-depth.gif

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:34 AM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 16 2009, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Well, as much sense as you can make of primal gods that leave their bodies and end up stuck inside planetoids... but you get what I mean. The MS doesn't really jibe with it at all.


Sure it does.

Primus and Unicron fought and shattered each other into neigh infinite pieces. A lot of said pieces apparently ended up inside planetoids that they reshaped and/or populated.

That... is apparently some weird third option you've come up with. It doesn't match the MS origin OR the one detailed above.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:36 AM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 16 2009, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.


How so? icon-depth.gif


Unicron was never "shattered into neigh infinite pieces." There's only one of him.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:39 AM

QUOTE(Kil @ Oct 16 2009, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 16 2009, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.


How so? icon-depth.gif


Unicron was never "shattered into neigh infinite pieces." There's only one of him.


Technically 2, if one is the big robot Primacron built, and the other a Chaos god inhabiting a metal planet. ;-)

Maybe Primacron built his giant robot that turns into a planet eating planet to look like the REAL Chaos God Unicron? It even started to think it WAS the real Unicron.

Edited by mignash, 16 October 2009 - 08:41 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2009 - 09:16 AM

QUOTE(mignash @ Oct 16 2009, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Kil @ Oct 16 2009, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 16 2009, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.


How so? icon-depth.gif


Unicron was never "shattered into neigh infinite pieces." There's only one of him.


Technically 2, if one is the big robot Primacron built, and the other a Chaos god inhabiting a metal planet. ;-)

Maybe Primacron built his giant robot that turns into a planet eating planet to look like the REAL Chaos God Unicron? It even started to think it WAS the real Unicron.


Or maybe Unicron shaped his asteroid prison into a rough humanoid/planetoid shape of living spacerock (think Rocklords) and Primacron refined him into his current giant robot god form giving him improved mobility, senses, speed, etc. in exchange for arcane knowledge in some sort of Faustian deal.

Also: I love this thing. Sig'd.


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Posted 16 October 2009 - 10:20 AM

Back to Metroplex, we recently uncovered a Comics Bom Bom issue that said Metroplex is 800 meters tall. This UK comic says a mere 698 feet, which is 212.8 metters. So Metroplex is nearly 4 times as tall in the Japanese continuity than in the UK continuity?

It's also neat to note that the tech specs for Broadside say he's 1200 feet long in aircraft carrier mode, so in the UK height of Metroplex with these numbers, Broadside is longer bigger than Metroplex is tall? Interesting.

PS - I also giggle at their depiction of Blurr as the fastest Transformer. Maybe they mean reaction time or something, but they made a big deal that he can go in vehicle mode faster than the speed of sound! Yes, I know that's really fast FOR A CAR. Anyone in the UK team read the tech specs of the various jets who have max speed as multiples of the speed of sound?

Edited by mignash, 16 October 2009 - 10:26 AM.




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