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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that continuity after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same continuity.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o

@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

DON'T TALK TO ME! DON'T TALK TO ME, CRIMINAL!

@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)

GRANMAMA DRINK YO PRUNE JUICE

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)

Who?

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.


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Transformers: The Facts?


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#1 Guest_mignash_*

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 11:54 PM

I was browsing a little archive of Marvel UK Transformers comics, from issue #200, but I found a little booklet called Transformers: The Facts. It's all about who is stronggest, fastest, etc. of the Transformers.


This page in particular intersted me, as I love Transformers scale issues.



Metroplex is officially 698 feet tall, and it seems to imply that Devastator is 100 feet tall.

How come I've never heard of this booklet before? I didn't see a thing about all the "facts" that it presents. Anyone want to see more pages? It has more fun facts scattered in it's pages, like what are Rack'n'Ruin's alt modes, who is the strongest transformer for his size, and bios and pictures of the Marvel Transformers artists.

Edited by mignash, 16 October 2009 - 06:42 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:04 AM

Great find. More scans, please.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:10 AM

Okay, it's only 12 pages. Here is the whole thing. Might be worth mentioning in trivia sections of the Wiki or something.

























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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:10 AM

More please, indeed. I've never heard of this.
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:27 AM

I remember that from the UK comics, I got most of mine secondhand in the late 90's with the free gifts still attached. A lot of the gifts were cheesy trinkets like a little plastic magnifying glass, though.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 01:48 AM

It's kind of depressing reading that pre-multiversal singularity Primus/Unicron thing and seeing that that it made simple, perfect sense.

Well, as much sense as you can make of primal gods that leave their bodies and end up stuck inside planetoids... but you get what I mean. The MS doesn't really jibe with it at all.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 02:43 AM

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Well, as much sense as you can make of primal gods that leave their bodies and end up stuck inside planetoids... but you get what I mean. The MS doesn't really jibe with it at all.


Sure it does.

Primus and Unicron fought and shattered each other into neigh infinite pieces. A lot of said pieces apparently ended up inside planetoids that they reshaped and/or populated.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 03:11 AM

I disagree with a lot of this.

So, apparently grimlock is the strongest transformer now, stronger than metroplex or galvatron? And he is intelligent, but chooses to act dumb to seem stronger?

... I don't like G1. Its so inconsistent.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 04:35 AM

QUOTE(landbasered @ Oct 16 2009, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree with a lot of this.

So, apparently grimlock is the strongest transformer now, stronger than metroplex or galvatron? And he is intelligent, but chooses to act dumb to seem stronger?

... I don't like G1. Its so inconsistent.


Did you read all of it? It says he's the strongest one of his size class, but giants like Menasor are stronger.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 05:15 AM

Indeed. Reading IS fundamental...especially when you don't skip chunks *lol*

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 05:22 AM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 16 2009, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Well, as much sense as you can make of primal gods that leave their bodies and end up stuck inside planetoids... but you get what I mean. The MS doesn't really jibe with it at all.


Sure it does.

Primus and Unicron fought and shattered each other into neigh infinite pieces. A lot of said pieces apparently ended up inside planetoids that they reshaped and/or populated.



That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 06:39 AM

I know it's just my own personal fiction, but when I did my Transformers tabletop RPG the STRENGTH is relative to size - two guys with the same number the bigger one is stronger. So I'm kinda glad to see this makes sense. Grimlock is probably the strongest for his size.

Edited by mignash, 16 October 2009 - 06:46 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2009 - 07:12 AM

So what about Mini-Bot Brawn then. Physically weaker than Perceptor just because he's smaller?

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:05 AM

No. In the game (which I admit, I wrote, nothing official, but based on the Champions RPG rules) There is actually a formula in the RPG for strength based on STR stat from the tech spec, and I calculate it based on them being human height, then I apply the "growth" power bonus from the Champions RPG rules (which increase lifting ability 8 times for every doubling of height).

I think based Brawn is standing 16 feet tall, and Perceptor is 18 feet (again, just guessing). With their initial STR stats and the size bonus Brawn can lift 20 tons (because he has a STR 9), Perceptor 15 tons (he has a STR of 7). If they had been the same height Brawn would be able to lift much more than that, but Perceptor got more than Brawn for the height bonus. I think in the RPG Brawn ends up being the second strongest of the original '84 Autobots, behind Prime. Big guys like Jetfire, some Dinobots and Omega Supreme and such outclassed him in the '85 line. Jetfire was a case where his sheer SIZE demanded strength, despite having a STR of only 6. If Brawn had been the same size as Jetfire, Brawn would be stronger.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:30 AM

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That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.


How so? icon-depth.gif

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:34 AM

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Well, as much sense as you can make of primal gods that leave their bodies and end up stuck inside planetoids... but you get what I mean. The MS doesn't really jibe with it at all.


Sure it does.

Primus and Unicron fought and shattered each other into neigh infinite pieces. A lot of said pieces apparently ended up inside planetoids that they reshaped and/or populated.

That... is apparently some weird third option you've come up with. It doesn't match the MS origin OR the one detailed above.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:36 AM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 16 2009, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.


How so? icon-depth.gif


Unicron was never "shattered into neigh infinite pieces." There's only one of him.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:39 AM

QUOTE(Kil @ Oct 16 2009, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 16 2009, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.


How so? icon-depth.gif


Unicron was never "shattered into neigh infinite pieces." There's only one of him.


Technically 2, if one is the big robot Primacron built, and the other a Chaos god inhabiting a metal planet. ;-)

Maybe Primacron built his giant robot that turns into a planet eating planet to look like the REAL Chaos God Unicron? It even started to think it WAS the real Unicron.

Edited by mignash, 16 October 2009 - 08:41 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2009 - 09:16 AM

QUOTE(mignash @ Oct 16 2009, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Kil @ Oct 16 2009, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 16 2009, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That's not even close to how Unicron works in the current multiverse structure.


How so? icon-depth.gif


Unicron was never "shattered into neigh infinite pieces." There's only one of him.


Technically 2, if one is the big robot Primacron built, and the other a Chaos god inhabiting a metal planet. ;-)

Maybe Primacron built his giant robot that turns into a planet eating planet to look like the REAL Chaos God Unicron? It even started to think it WAS the real Unicron.


Or maybe Unicron shaped his asteroid prison into a rough humanoid/planetoid shape of living spacerock (think Rocklords) and Primacron refined him into his current giant robot god form giving him improved mobility, senses, speed, etc. in exchange for arcane knowledge in some sort of Faustian deal.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 10:20 AM

Back to Metroplex, we recently uncovered a Comics Bom Bom issue that said Metroplex is 800 meters tall. This UK comic says a mere 698 feet, which is 212.8 metters. So Metroplex is nearly 4 times as tall in the Japanese continuity than in the UK continuity?

It's also neat to note that the tech specs for Broadside say he's 1200 feet long in aircraft carrier mode, so in the UK height of Metroplex with these numbers, Broadside is longer bigger than Metroplex is tall? Interesting.

PS - I also giggle at their depiction of Blurr as the fastest Transformer. Maybe they mean reaction time or something, but they made a big deal that he can go in vehicle mode faster than the speed of sound! Yes, I know that's really fast FOR A CAR. Anyone in the UK team read the tech specs of the various jets who have max speed as multiples of the speed of sound?

Edited by mignash, 16 October 2009 - 10:26 AM.