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@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.


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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:04 PM

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JK Rowling denied top US honour

Harry Potter author JK Rowling missed out on a top honour because some US politicians believed she "encouraged witchcraft", it has been claimed.

Matt Latimer, former speech writer for President George W Bush, said that some members of his administration believed her books promoted sorcery.

As a result, she was never presented with the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

The claims appear in Latimer's new book called Speechless: Tales of a White House Survivor.

He wrote that "narrow thinking" led White House officials to object to giving Rowling the civilian honour.

The award acknowledges contributions to US national interest, world peace or cultural endeavours.

Past literary recipients of the award include John Steinbeck and Harper Lee.

Others denied the privilege under the Bush administration included Senator Edward Kennedy, who died in August this year.

Latimer claimed, in his book, that the veteran politician and health care activist was excluded because he was deemed to be too liberal.


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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:06 PM

Oh well, I guess she'll have to find consellation in her MOUNTAINS upon MOUNTAINS of cash.
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:17 PM

Not that I support the REASON for the decision, but I have to agree with the outcome. They may very well be good books about a boy wizard, but I don't think she's really at the Steinbeck level. I know, I know, it encouraged kids to read, but I just don't see it being medal-worthy.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:41 PM

So Bush and his lackeys are superstitious morons. And they screwed over the last of the Kennedies. cvx vc bv vbbv vbvb

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:45 PM

What the hell is a presidential medal of freedom anyways? is it like a bootleg pulitzer? this is honestly the first time ive even heard of such an "honor".
I seriously doubt she even cares, shes too busy counting her money and being horrified at some of the fan fiction out there.



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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE(Donocropolis @ Sep 30 2009, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not that I support the REASON for the decision, but I have to agree with the outcome. They may very well be good books about a boy wizard, but I don't think she's really at the Steinbeck level. I know, I know, it encouraged kids to read, but I just don't see it being medal-worthy.


Sorry, but I'd much sooner read a fun, heartfelt, magical, epic adventure than some excruciatingly dull tract like The Grapes of Wrath.

Screw Steinbeck.
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE(Suspsy @ Sep 30 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Donocropolis @ Sep 30 2009, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not that I support the REASON for the decision, but I have to agree with the outcome. They may very well be good books about a boy wizard, but I don't think she's really at the Steinbeck level. I know, I know, it encouraged kids to read, but I just don't see it being medal-worthy.


Sorry, but I'd much sooner read a fun, heartfelt, magical, epic adventure than some excruciatingly dull tract like The Grapes of Wrath.

Screw Steinbeck.

Agreed. And screw Harper Lee, too. Sure, her book had a good message, but To Kill a Mockingbird was dull. Very dull. It was insanely padded out. It's bade up of 75% padding, 20% good message, and 5% suspense. Gragh. Give me Harry Potter or Fahrenheit 451 any day.

Of course, maybe the problem Bush's lackeys had with Harry Potter wasn't the witchcraft; it was the fact that it was encouraging kids to read.

And, the Presidential Medal of Freedom is very prestigious, usually given to people who do really good things. Sometimes, there are exceptions... Like when Cheney got one from Bush Sr. in 1991. Ted Kennedy deserves the medal way more than Dick ever did. And, if you don't agree with him, you could also say John Paul II didn't deserve it either. I think he was better Emperor Popatine(Benedict), but still, it was gorramed stupid of him to be against condom use in AIDS-infected Africa and not do as much to help the people abused by the priests.

Edited by Spin-Out!, 30 September 2009 - 02:01 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 01:55 PM

QUOTE(Donocropolis @ Sep 30 2009, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not that I support the REASON for the decision, but I have to agree with the outcome. They may very well be good books about a boy wizard, but I don't think she's really at the Steinbeck level.


The outcome I understand, and if I'm honest, agree with. All that is said and done, they're books a lot of people and will probably be considered a classic. But the reasons are what I find abhorrent. They're probably the same dimwits who think D&D teachs you how to summon daemons and that video games will corrupt our youth into godless killing engines.
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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE(The Ambassador @ Sep 30 2009, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
video games will corrupt our youth into godless killing engines.

That's nonsense. Even Bush's lackeys couldn't be dumbass enough to think that humans can be turned into bears... I hope.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:04 PM

The reason is, of course, totally insane. But I don't think she deserves a medal. She wrote...a good (but not great!) series of books? Woo?

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE(Spin-Out! @ Sep 30 2009, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Suspsy @ Sep 30 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sorry, but I'd much sooner read a fun, heartfelt, magical, epic adventure than some excruciatingly dull tract like The Grapes of Wrath.

Screw Steinbeck.

Agreed. And screw Harper Lee, too. Sure, her book had a good message, but To Kill a Mockingbird was dull. Very dull. It was insanely padded out. It's bade up of 75% padding, 20% good message, and 5% suspense. Gragh. Give me Harry Potter or Fahrenheit 451 any day.


...what.

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I don't even

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Are you trolling? Because what you just said basically amounts to "Why bother reading literature when Cosmopolitan has half the syllables?!". Seriously. You're openly, in a public forum, admitting you prefer contemporary juvenile fiction to some of the greatest literary works of the 20th century. I just can't facepalm enough to express my feelings about this.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:13 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Sep 30 2009, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason is, of course, totally insane. But I don't think she deserves a medal. She wrote...a good (but not great!) series of books? Woo?

She got an entire generation of children to read. While her stories aren't really noteworthy, the results are.

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QUOTE(Suspsy @ Sep 30 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sorry, but I'd much sooner read a fun, heartfelt, magical, epic adventure than some excruciatingly dull tract like The Grapes of Wrath.

Screw Steinbeck.

Agreed. And screw Harper Lee, too. Sure, her book had a good message, but To Kill a Mockingbird was dull. Very dull. It was insanely padded out. It's bade up of 75% padding, 20% good message, and 5% suspense. Gragh. Give me Harry Potter or Fahrenheit 451 any day.


...what.

....

I don't even

...

Are you trolling? Because what you just said basically amounts to "Why bother reading literature when Cosmopolitan has half the syllables?!". Seriously. You're openly, in a public forum, admitting you prefer contemporary juvenile fiction to some of the greatest literary works of the 20th century. I just can't facepalm enough to express my feelings about this.

I didn't like "To kill a mocking bird" either. A lot of the classic literature is considered as such because it was ground breaking at the time it was written, not for the quality of its content. It had a good message, and forward thinking ideals of equality... but it was very boring.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Spin-Out! @ Sep 30 2009, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Suspsy @ Sep 30 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sorry, but I'd much sooner read a fun, heartfelt, magical, epic adventure than some excruciatingly dull tract like The Grapes of Wrath.

Screw Steinbeck.

Agreed. And screw Harper Lee, too. Sure, her book had a good message, but To Kill a Mockingbird was dull. Very dull. It was insanely padded out. It's bade up of 75% padding, 20% good message, and 5% suspense. Gragh. Give me Harry Potter or Fahrenheit 451 any day.


...what.

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I don't even

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Are you trolling? Because what you just said basically amounts to "Why bother reading literature when Cosmopolitan has half the syllables?!". Seriously. You're openly, in a public forum, admitting you prefer contemporary juvenile fiction to some of the greatest literary works of the 20th century. I just can't facepalm enough to express my feelings about this.

Uh, no. I read tTo Kill a Mockingbird, and it bored me. I've also read other good books like the Chronicles of Narnia, or Fahrenheit 451. And I kept turning the pages. And don't even get me started on my love for Edgar Allen Poe's writing. Now THAT is how you write. I just didn't like To Kill a Mockingbird. It's a classic, sure, but it merely isn't to my liking. I do like classic books; I want to read Dracula, Moby Dick, and I already mentioned my love for Edgar Allen Poe's stories. It's merely that, specifically, To Kill a Mockingbird was a boring book. It had a good message, but it was a boring book in my opinion. I'm sorry if I'm reiterating or it appears I'm trolling, but I'm just saying that, while I love classic literature AND modern literature, To Kill a Mockingbird was just not to my liking. Hell, Harry potter books are often longer than To Kill a Mockingbird. I just did not like To Kill A Mockingbird.

Edited by Spin-Out!, 30 September 2009 - 02:18 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Sep 30 2009, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason is, of course, totally insane. But I don't think she deserves a medal. She wrote...a good (but not great!) series of books? Woo?

She got an entire generation of children to read. While her stories aren't really noteworthy, the results are.

Twilight also gets people to read! Shudder.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Sep 30 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(wonko the sane? @ Sep 30 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Sep 30 2009, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason is, of course, totally insane. But I don't think she deserves a medal. She wrote...a good (but not great!) series of books? Woo?

She got an entire generation of children to read. While her stories aren't really noteworthy, the results are.

Twilight also gets people to read! Shudder.

Thing is, as Stephen King put it, J.K Rowling is a good writer, and Meyer... Well, we all chagrinning know how chagrinning bad she chagrinning is.

Also, chagrin.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(wonko the sane? @ Sep 30 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Sep 30 2009, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason is, of course, totally insane. But I don't think she deserves a medal. She wrote...a good (but not great!) series of books? Woo?

She got an entire generation of children to read. While her stories aren't really noteworthy, the results are.

Twilight also gets people to read! Shudder.

Sometimes bad people can do good things. Sometimes bad literature can get throngs of teeming idiots to read. My only hope is that some of them continue to read, and eventually realize just how bad twilight is.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Sep 30 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(wonko the sane? @ Sep 30 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Sep 30 2009, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason is, of course, totally insane. But I don't think she deserves a medal. She wrote...a good (but not great!) series of books? Woo?

She got an entire generation of children to read. While her stories aren't really noteworthy, the results are.

Twilight also gets people to read! Shudder.

Thing is, as Stephen King put it, J.K Rowling is a good writer, and Meyer... Well, we all chagrinning know how chagrinning bad she chagrinning is.

Also, chagrin.

My point is that 'getting people to read' is, alone, not enough. icon-waspy.gif

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:20 PM

QUOTE(wonko the sane? @ Sep 30 2009, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Sep 30 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(wonko the sane? @ Sep 30 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Sep 30 2009, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The reason is, of course, totally insane. But I don't think she deserves a medal. She wrote...a good (but not great!) series of books? Woo?

She got an entire generation of children to read. While her stories aren't really noteworthy, the results are.

Twilight also gets people to read! Shudder.

Sometimes bad people can do good things. Sometimes bad literature can get throngs of teeming idiots to read. My only hope is that some of them continue to read, and eventually realize just how bad twilight is.

One of my friends was a Twilight fan. Now, she hates the series. And she's a (rather peppy) teenage girl who likes darker things. The target audience.

That should tell you how bad Twilight is.

Edited by Spin-Out!, 30 September 2009 - 02:20 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 02:20 PM

Just becuase a book is a classic doesn't always mean its good. Classic books are classic becuase they stood out and were diffrent for the time period. However, as time as past those ideas have been used, expanded on, or broken themselves by other authors. Some classics, are flat out boring, its like trying to eat stale bread without water where you have to force yourself to continue on. No, no all classics are like that, and it tends to vary from person to person but you have to face facts that some people arent gonna like every single classic out there just becuase is a classic.

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