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@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.


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#1 Blot

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 06:14 PM

From Takara's TF website, translated by fans, comes an interview with the guy who made the Twins, The Fallen, Fire Convoy, Big Convoy, and BT Skids.

He also made the BW Neo Unicron prototype.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 04:22 PM

What does he mean in Mixmaster's section the "caterpillars seperate"?

OH, BTW, AWESOME interview. Seems like a very cool guy, and a hugging genius to engineer these toys the way he has. icon-ironhide.gif
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Posted 01 September 2009 - 06:25 PM

More fuel for the wiki? I wish we knew the designers for every TF. icon-hotrod.gif
Man, Fire Convoy. That's so awesome.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 06:36 PM

He's the man behind some of the frustrating design choices such as the fact that the Fallen's entire foot tends to go flying off when I try to stand him up? Rabble Rabble.

On the other hand, he's got some awesome designs and seems to love his work, which is awesome. I share his confusion on things such as the constructiconrelationship to Devestator, but disagree that the movie even tried to clear up such things.

The caterpillers on Mixmaster seem fine to me.

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 07:19 PM

Perhaps he is referring to Rampage.
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Posted 02 September 2009 - 01:19 AM

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 01:45 AM

For making shellformers? Eh. That's not a reason to let the guy onto Mount Olympus.

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 01:51 AM

QUOTE(Blot @ Sep 2 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For making shellformers? Eh. That's not a reason to let the guy onto Mount Olympus.


I was just playing God of War.

Heh.


Anyway, cool interview.

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Posted 02 September 2009 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE(Blot @ Sep 2 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For making shellformers? Eh. That's not a reason to let the guy onto Mount Olympus.


The Fallen's not a shelformer. icon-wildride.gif

Neither is Sideways. Or, rather, he is, but a hugging awesome one. As is Mixmaster. icon-silverbolt.gif
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Posted 02 September 2009 - 12:54 PM

QUOTE(Blot @ Sep 2 2009, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For making shellformers? Eh. That's not a reason to let the guy onto Mount Olympus.


Well, the standards have gone down since Conan took over.


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Posted 02 September 2009 - 12:56 PM

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Not that the anime shows we have had were low quality

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It does make me happy to see the same features as the toys' gimmicks in the movie.

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Good interview overall, I also wish we had more interviews and insight from the toy designers. The Hasbro guys are good about this, but when it comes down to it, they're not the ones doing most of the engineering. And it's great to hear about what they're thinking of when creating the specific characters.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 01:54 PM

Caterpillars are Japanese english for treads. I take it this interview was translated by someone who doesn't have a very firm grasp of the language...
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Posted 04 September 2009 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE(Hydra @ Sep 4 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Caterpillars are Japanese english for treads. I take it this interview was translated by someone who doesn't have a very firm grasp of the language...

That's my feeling on SydneyY's translation as well.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 03:09 AM

So he's responsible for the shake hands combination? That's one of my favourite transformations icon-hotrod.gif

As for his closing comment- sorry, man. The movie actually cut most of its answers for more useless action scenes and actually removed any desire I had to buy the toys.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 05:51 AM

QUOTE(Hydra @ Sep 4 2009, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Caterpillars are Japanese english for treads. I take it this interview was translated by someone who doesn't have a very firm grasp of the language...


I'm finding that throughout the interview. I've never had the Mixmaster toy in my hand, but I would be surprised if it would help me see his level of complicity. I'd need to keep an eye on him for a while.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 11:24 AM

Syd is a Japanese who has been living in Australia for over a decade. He himself admits that his English skills aren't perfect, so cut him some slack. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE(Axaday @ Sep 6 2009, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Hydra @ Sep 4 2009, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Caterpillars are Japanese english for treads. I take it this interview was translated by someone who doesn't have a very firm grasp of the language...


I'm finding that throughout the interview. I've never had the Mixmaster toy in my hand, but I would be surprised if it would help me see his level of complicity. I'd need to keep an eye on him for a while.


With the idea of caterpillars meaning treads, I originally figured they meant something like caterpillar tracks. But treads doesn't make any more sense to me. Do they mean the wheels were supposed to seperate?

As for the complexity, he kinda explodes into a million folding panels when you transform him.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Sep 6 2009, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Syd is a Japanese who has been living in Australia for over a decade. He himself admits that his English skills aren't perfect, so cut him some slack. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Axaday @ Sep 6 2009, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Hydra @ Sep 4 2009, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Caterpillars are Japanese english for treads. I take it this interview was translated by someone who doesn't have a very firm grasp of the language...


I'm finding that throughout the interview. I've never had the Mixmaster toy in my hand, but I would be surprised if it would help me see his level of complicity. I'd need to keep an eye on him for a while.


With the idea of caterpillars meaning treads, I originally figured they meant something like caterpillar tracks. But treads doesn't make any more sense to me. Do they mean the wheels were supposed to seperate?

As for the complexity, he kinda explodes into a million folding panels when you transform him.


OK... so the WHEELS are suppose to seperate. Well, that I don't care too much about if they left that little bit out; tis a very minor concern. But thanks for clearing that up. icon-ironhide.gif

And yes, the exploding into a milliong folding panels is Awesome Incorporated in my book. icon-silverbolt.gif
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Posted 06 September 2009 - 09:26 PM

Nothing against the guy, I haven't even looked closely at his translation or compared it to the original. Someone asked what the heck caterpillars meant, and in general caterpillars refer to the treads on tanks or construction vehicles. Pretty common word, hence my comment.

Compared with stuff like manga or press releases, interviews can be pretty challenging. Can't blame him for making the effort.

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