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@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.


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#1 NightViper

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:00 PM

Hasbro's answers for Round 3 of the Q&A have rolled in!

1) How many Human Alliance figures are scheduled for the Revenge of the Fallen toy line? And when you decide to end the Revenge of the Fallen toy line, is there any chance that this fan-popular sub-line will continue? There are still plenty of human and not-so human characters that could use toys. Like Daniel with Arcee, Spike with Hot Rod, or Una and Chak with Transmetal Cheetor!

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1) Currently, we have announced five figures for the Human Alliance line, Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Autobot Skids, Barricade and Mudflap. Outside of these announced figures, we are already investigating other characters and pairings that would make sense for the line. As a whole, humans have always played an important part within the Transformers fantasy, especially in the two live action films. With that in mind, we have tried to bring those relationships to life in toy form. We are eager to see what the reaction to the line will be and will base our future decisions on where this line goes based on these results.


2) After Perceptor and the Insecticons, how many other reissues are planned? Or if there are currently no plans for more reissues, but it's something that you'd like to look into in the future, which figures would you personally like to see reissued in the US market?

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2) Currently, there are no plans to release any other reissues at this time. However, we would always strongly consider any re-issues that Takara has previously done.



3) "Revenge of the Fallen" has brought with it a more adult-aimed Transformers, both in terms of toy complexity and the adult humor sprinkled generously throughout the movie. What will this mean for any future toys and fiction--including comics, toy bios and cartoons-- that Hasbro may have planned for the movie continuity? Would a movie continuity cartoon revert back to the more child friendly stories as we've seen with the past few years, or would it keep a flavoring of the adult themes that Michael Bay brought to the films?

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:15 PM

So, where is the answer to #3 then?

#3 NightViper

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:16 PM

They didn't answer it.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:23 PM

That's unfortunate PR.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:29 PM

Hasbro crack the multiverse in two with TFWIKI.Net's answers!

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:37 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Aug 10 2009, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2) After Perceptor and the Insecticons, how many other reissues are planned? Or if there are currently no plans for more reissues, but it's something that you'd like to look into in the future, which figures would you personally like to see reissued in the US market?

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2) Currently, there are no plans to release any other reissues at this time. However, we would always strongly consider any re-issues that Takara has previously done.


I'd like to see a future Q&A ask why Hasbro won't go ahead and do something before Takara for a change. Even if we all know the answer already, I'd like to see Hasbro acknowledge this one publicly....

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:37 PM

Wow, swank answer for the multiverse question. I particularly like the "dead end" universes as an explanation for conflicting fiction.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:38 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Aug 10 2009, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They didn't answer it.

... So they wasted what could have been a really good question like "If the retailers don't accept the upcoming Animated toys, will you distribute them through Hasbro Toy Shop?" or "Are there any plans for Voyager and/or Deluxe molds for Scrapper and Hightower?" for something they won't answer?











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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:38 PM

Very nice, if circuitous, answer to the Fallen question.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(NightViper @ Aug 10 2009, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They didn't answer it.

... So they wasted what could have been a really good question like "If the retailers don't accept the upcoming Animated toys, will you distribute them through Hasbro Toy Shop?" or "Are there any plans for Voyager and/or Deluxe molds for Scrapper and Hightower?" for something they won't answer?
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Uh, the sites themselves are the ones that select the three questions out of the various submissions. So if anyone is to blame for selecting a non-answerable question, it's the Allspark's staff (myself included). We thought that the question would do well at addressing how Hasbro felt about the themes directed towards more mature audiences as present in ROTF, and how they might treat them in the future. Apparently Hasbro didn't think it a good question, however.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:51 PM

WoooHooo! to the Hasbro answer for the TFWiki's Multiversal singularity question. They could have just blown it off, or told us "a wizard did it" but they actually gave us a really good answer that works. Bravo Hasbro, good job. icon-hotrod.gif
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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:59 PM

I can't believe they answered my Tfwiki.net question. What a glorious, triumphant bulljive-storm that was to witness.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 07:01 PM

I haven't seen so much technobabble since Voyager...and it STILL managed to explain things.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 07:16 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Aug 10 2009, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't seen so much technobabble since Voyager...and it STILL managed to explain things.

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Heck, even *I* like that answer, and I make no efforts to hide that I think the multiversal singularity stuff is a crock of jive. It goes around in circles with big words designed for the purpose... but it WORKS.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 07:27 PM

QUOTE(Shattered @ Aug 10 2009, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Very nice, if circuitous, answer to the Fallen question.



Eh, not really. It was pretty much code for, "Yes, we're sticking with Lee's assertion that the 13 (Fallen incl.) are multiversal singularites like Primus and Unicron. Conflicts in fiction are of no consequence because of quantum physics."

Basically, it's Hasbro's version of the Retcon Punch.

I would have preferred the much simpler "No, only Primus and Unicron are multiversal singularites. They're gods, so this makes sense for them. Normal transformers, even the 13, exist within their own universe even if they have analogues in other universes that are very similar."

And that's what I'll stick with as far as fanon goes. For example, to me, there's no Fallen in the UT. The closest guy is Sideways, though I haven't decided if he's on of the UT 13 or not.

I'm really encouraged by the Human Alliance response, though. If they want it to succeed, however, they need to severely ramp up distribution. They can't let it get treated the same way as alternators, especially at 10 dollars more in cost.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 07:33 PM

I'm glad someone asked about the cancelled Alternators. As I was the one that first found both, and every Q&A and the two Botcons I went to I always forget about that question.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 08:22 PM


Hasbro's answer to the multiversals is magnificently opaque. It's dazzling in the dictionary definition--it impresses you so much you don't at first notice that it doesn't actually answer the question and in fact sets up the question as being unanswerable. I like that.

I'd like it a whole helluvvalot more if it had ever been or would ever be expressed in any mainstream TF story. I mean, sure as hell that's what IDW should have been publishing instead of AHM.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 08:26 PM

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I would have preferred the much simpler "No, only Primus and Unicron are multiversal singularites. They're gods, so this makes sense for them. Normal transformers, even the 13, exist within their own universe even if they have analogues in other universes that are very similar."


But that's not the correct answer.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 09:06 PM

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Or fist, for those amongst us with a penchant for irrational rage and volitility.

In all seriousness, are we sure they....just refused to answer it? Or did someone at Hasbro forget to copy the whole response when they sent it out?

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 09:14 PM

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2) After Perceptor and the Insecticons, how many other reissues are planned? Or if there are currently no plans for more reissues, but it's something that you'd like to look into in the future, which figures would you personally like to see reissued in the US market?

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2) Currently, there are no plans to release any other reissues at this time. However, we would always strongly consider any re-issues that Takara has previously done.



Well, we have been seeing Takara churn out a lot lately so I have hopes.