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@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.


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#1 Kalidor

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:01 PM

Is anyone Beta Testing this yet?

I am, but not legitimately. Someone who shops at my store gave us his beta login and we share it, but I am the one who plays it the most.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:02 PM

I opted in a few weeks ago but haven't gotten anything back yet.

How is it? Less tedious than CoH?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:04 PM

Overall its... better than CoH. But its still CoH 2 any way you look at it.

You can throw cars though, so that's a nice touch.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:08 PM

I'd love to hug around with their costume creator, but I'm not motivated enough to playtest the actual game, so I didn't bother trying to get into the beta.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:10 PM

You can make ANYTHING.

Back in the 90s me and a friend had a 'Mutant Armadillo' named Tank. We made a version of Tank in CoH that was basically a grey stocky guy.

This is what we made in CO.


And I got news for you, there are no Armadillo parts in the costume creator. And the best part? His 'stance' is that he runs on all fours and his travel power is burrowing.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:12 PM

That is pretty impressive. How close are they to opening up the beta?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:13 PM

not sure, the game got delayed. It was supposed to be out 7-15 now its due 9-1.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:18 PM

I applied for the beta a couple months ago.. No word yet. I've updated the application few times just to be sure too.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:25 PM

Kal, I've been in on it for a few months. I used to hate it because it ran like garbage and a lot of the costume pieces were out of whack. I recently upped the graphics load on it and for some reason it runs a million times better. My lvl 33 guy got wiped during the purge, but I am trying out a ton of new powers. Let me know your name and server and I'll hit you up.

Also, we shouldn't be violating the NDA, but I really hate playing alone. It defeats the MMO's purpose.

I'm making a new guy when the servers go up, so I'll be starting at square one.

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PS- I notice you have cel-shading off. Seeing the game with Cel-shading has made me never want to turn it off.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Jun 3 2009, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is anyone Beta Testing this yet?

I am, but not legitimately. Someone who shops at my store gave us his beta login and we share it, but I am the one who plays it the most.



I've been beta testing for about a month now, having a lot of fun with it.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:31 PM

QUOTE(theEvergreen @ Jun 3 2009, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, we shouldn't be violating the NDA, but I really hate playing alone. It defeats the MMO's purpose.


Mentioning we are in beta doesn't violate the NDA, as Cryptic's said we can mention it, but I think those screenshots may be pushing it.


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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:45 PM

Oh, that's fine then. I wasn't going to be a tattle about it. I was just concerned we'd get our beta powers taken, haha.

We need to all swap names.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 01:48 PM

Mine's the same as my CoH global, @DeltaSeeker. I should be on tonight, not sure what time, though.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 02:02 PM

I believe the Beta NDA's been lifted.


(edit: oh, for review sites only. boogers.)

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 02:13 PM

This looks interesting...

How would one get into it?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE(DJ Wingus @ Jun 3 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This looks interesting...

How would one get into it?



Go to Champions-online.com, there's a graphic link there to apply for the beta. They're not constantly inviting, though, they seem to invite a ton of people in all at once, and applying is no guarantee that you'll get in.


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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:31 PM

I'm waiting for this. I got a large group of my friends and coworkers into it. We'll have our own super group for sure. I'll be on the 360 as will almost all my other friends.
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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:33 PM

Is there a keyboard for the 360..?

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 04:44 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ Jun 3 2009, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is there a keyboard for the 360..?


Maybe not a full one, but at walmart I see small ones that connect to the controllers. Looks like the kinda keyboards you see on phones nowady.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 05:07 PM

They worked it so you can play with just the controller.

I believe the 360 is their lead system, so it should play great.

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