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@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that continuity after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same continuity.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)


@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)


@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)


@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)


@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:23 PM)

When someone stands next to say, Optimus Prime's leg it would just look like there's a large blue rectangle.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:21 PM)

In live-action, they would all look flat and underdetailed when they're supposed to be huge.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:32 PM)

I'm 90% sure they will be using more G1-ish designs in the reboot (if there'll be such a thing of course). They already used over-complicated movie designs, they'll return to G1.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:15 PM)

All I'm saying is when they reboot it, they might want to try something they never did in the screen and use G1-ish designs.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:57 PM)

Why? Would a classic G1 aesthetic make money?

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:38 PM)

I don't think that switching to G1 would "correct" anything.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:22 PM)

I actually believe they would switch to G1 because I feel like the next director would try to correct 'wrongs' of the older movies.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 02:15 PM)

Also, if they get to the point of completely rebooting the movies with an entirely different aesthetic I highly doubt they'd switch specifically to G1.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

A design alone doesn't say anything. The designs and the setting together are what TFWiki would deliberate upon.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

I know but a movie character would definitely gets his sub page because of the tie-ins, it would be far too long.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sub-pages are not done because of new franchises; they are done for length reasons.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

I mean if they look like this: http://www.allspark....-1471381025.jpg

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:02 PM)

If they were in the G1 continuity (which I doubt would happen), then yes. Otherwise, a reboot would likely be separate from G1 and the current Movieverse.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 01:49 PM)

Characters from rebooted movies would most likely get their own pages.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

If Transformers movies ever gets rebooted and if they decide to do more G1ish designs, would TFWiki classify that Movie's Optimus or Megatron as G1 (maybe giving them sub-pages like the one for IDW Optimus) or would they give them their own pages. Just wondering.

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What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?

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#1 xZAOx



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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:52 PM

2005, they can't get rid of them.

2006, sold all but 36, which were sold quickly online afterwards.

2007, sold out before BotCon.

2008, sold out even quicker.

So here we are at 2009, which a box set that's actually going to be available at the convention for late registration at a minimum. Why do you think this is?

I believe it's a combination of all factors, but I think the single biggest reason is that the toys are less popular this year. If the toys were more popular, I think more people would've made the effort to get out to California - or at the least, got an Iacon (non-attending) set.

Although I do know of multiple people that the economy, in some way, shape, or form, has caused them from being able to go this year.

And even though they've made more than ever before (Pete stated this), I bet they could've made the same amount for 2007 and 2008's sets and they still would've sold out. Probably even with 2006's set (even though it would've been post-convention).

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:59 PM

A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:59 PM

Yeah, probably a little of everything. I doubt they'll last through the weekend, though.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ May 22 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

A five and a half hour drive is the closest you'll ever have it. I have that much just to get to the airport. icon-waspy.gif I'm taking two days there and two days back.

QUOTE(Mouse_Pad @ May 22 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, probably a little of everything. I doubt they'll last through the weekend, though.

Hm... I was going to say the location. *shrug* I think that could be narrowed down by finding out how many attendees fly VS drive/bus depending on the locations. I know it's pretty stupid for me to do this year.

I think FunPub probably shouldn't combine so many bad choices together if they can help it. (well... I guess they can't. maybe.) If they're going to have it on the West Coast, during a recession, make sure the exclusives are nostalgia-heavy. It's just not solid enough here. I think Razorclaw's probably the biggest draw. I think this was a BAD year to make TWO MASSIVE figures that are original characters. Even if it was Flak and Roadbuster (which neither of them are. It's not Roadbuster, and Flak's even less popular than the movie characters), it wouldn't be enough. This should have been the year we got Sunstorm. If FP's going to be adamant about not reusing a mold, then neither Energon or Classic Starscream's mold will be used for Sunstorm, and both/either lie with Hasbro.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:18 PM

What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:19 PM

QUOTE(Zodberg @ May 22 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

Perhaps even Rare Endangered Spy Crabs

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:23 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ May 22 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Zodberg @ May 22 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

Perhaps even Rare Endangered Spy Crabs

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:24 PM

Just flip them over and....

Well, you know the rest.

I can't really see how these have not sold out already, though lack of interest seems to be the biggest. I mean everyone HAD to have the jets, as we all remember. And Shattered Glass, while it had plenty of people who were not interested, at least won over many on concept. This one though, just doesn't have that spark, outside of a few of the characters. But yeah, a lot of factors play a part.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

I think all of the above.

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ May 22 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

Oh, c'mon, I've made at least that much of a drive to BotCon probably seven times. Sometimes double that. Once triple. Don't make me laugh and/or mock you!

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

Not so great figs in a crappy economy, hardly surprising they haven't sold out yet.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:13 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ May 22 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Zodberg @ May 22 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

Perhaps even Rare Endangered Spy Crabs


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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:16 PM

Bad timing... and way too expensive.

This year.

Figures I'm moving out West next year. icon-screamer.gif
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:17 PM

If they still have some by weekend's ....end, at least when the next sold out set happens they'll have something better to offer than the 2005 set.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ May 22 2009, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not so great figs in a crappy economy, hardly surprising they haven't sold out yet.

I think it's more these two than anything.

I'm not going because of location, but I didn't think it was a bad choice of location, just not convenient for me.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:33 PM

Where's the "Because of Universe/Classics/Henkei" option? Seriously, a few years back we'd all be drooling over these toys. Now, however, unless it's a perfectly redesigned upgrade for a G1 character, most people are indifferent about the repaint. Don't get me wrong, there are exceptions, but it seems that most non-G1 toys that get cast as G1 characters are met with a tad more hostility than they have previously. Not that that a bad thing. Not that that a good thing. Just an observation.

That and the "They made more of them" option. Had they made the same as last year, they would have sold out within a month. Maybe a little longer. Still though, a long ass time ago. If you remember how rapidly that first 80% plus sold, that's probably around the usual number produced. There are really just a few stragglers preventing them from selling out. Nothing catastrophically "fail" about the numbers sold by any means.

Edited by NightViper, 22 May 2009 - 08:42 PM.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:56 PM

I dunno, all I want is Leozack and Banzai-Tron, cause I love me some obscure Transformers.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:38 PM

I suspect it's the economy.

And I seriously hope they have sets available online post-Con. While I've no eagerness to own Scourge, I'd like to have the others from the main set...and I'm sure Scourge could be sold easily on eBay.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ May 22 2009, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

Do you have any idea how many people take five and half hour flights to get to Botcon every year?

You have nothing to complain about, sir.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:52 PM

Well, to be fair, you can at least take a nap on a five hour flight. Not so much on a car trip, especially if he's driving.