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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)


@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)


@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)


@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)


@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 11:09 AM)

Mayhem is, somewhat ironically, one of the least random parts of the board. I really don't know how that happened.

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#1 xZAOx



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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:52 PM

2005, they can't get rid of them.

2006, sold all but 36, which were sold quickly online afterwards.

2007, sold out before BotCon.

2008, sold out even quicker.

So here we are at 2009, which a box set that's actually going to be available at the convention for late registration at a minimum. Why do you think this is?

I believe it's a combination of all factors, but I think the single biggest reason is that the toys are less popular this year. If the toys were more popular, I think more people would've made the effort to get out to California - or at the least, got an Iacon (non-attending) set.

Although I do know of multiple people that the economy, in some way, shape, or form, has caused them from being able to go this year.

And even though they've made more than ever before (Pete stated this), I bet they could've made the same amount for 2007 and 2008's sets and they still would've sold out. Probably even with 2006's set (even though it would've been post-convention).

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:59 PM

A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:59 PM

Yeah, probably a little of everything. I doubt they'll last through the weekend, though.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ May 22 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

A five and a half hour drive is the closest you'll ever have it. I have that much just to get to the airport. icon-waspy.gif I'm taking two days there and two days back.

QUOTE(Mouse_Pad @ May 22 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, probably a little of everything. I doubt they'll last through the weekend, though.

Hm... I was going to say the location. *shrug* I think that could be narrowed down by finding out how many attendees fly VS drive/bus depending on the locations. I know it's pretty stupid for me to do this year.

I think FunPub probably shouldn't combine so many bad choices together if they can help it. (well... I guess they can't. maybe.) If they're going to have it on the West Coast, during a recession, make sure the exclusives are nostalgia-heavy. It's just not solid enough here. I think Razorclaw's probably the biggest draw. I think this was a BAD year to make TWO MASSIVE figures that are original characters. Even if it was Flak and Roadbuster (which neither of them are. It's not Roadbuster, and Flak's even less popular than the movie characters), it wouldn't be enough. This should have been the year we got Sunstorm. If FP's going to be adamant about not reusing a mold, then neither Energon or Classic Starscream's mold will be used for Sunstorm, and both/either lie with Hasbro.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:18 PM

What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:19 PM

QUOTE(Zodberg @ May 22 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

Perhaps even Rare Endangered Spy Crabs

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:23 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ May 22 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Zodberg @ May 22 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

Perhaps even Rare Endangered Spy Crabs

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:24 PM

Just flip them over and....

Well, you know the rest.

I can't really see how these have not sold out already, though lack of interest seems to be the biggest. I mean everyone HAD to have the jets, as we all remember. And Shattered Glass, while it had plenty of people who were not interested, at least won over many on concept. This one though, just doesn't have that spark, outside of a few of the characters. But yeah, a lot of factors play a part.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

I think all of the above.

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ May 22 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

Oh, c'mon, I've made at least that much of a drive to BotCon probably seven times. Sometimes double that. Once triple. Don't make me laugh and/or mock you!

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

Not so great figs in a crappy economy, hardly surprising they haven't sold out yet.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:13 PM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ May 22 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Zodberg @ May 22 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?

I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

Perhaps even Rare Endangered Spy Crabs


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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:16 PM

Bad timing... and way too expensive.

This year.

Figures I'm moving out West next year. icon-screamer.gif
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:17 PM

If they still have some by weekend's ....end, at least when the next sold out set happens they'll have something better to offer than the 2005 set.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ May 22 2009, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not so great figs in a crappy economy, hardly surprising they haven't sold out yet.

I think it's more these two than anything.

I'm not going because of location, but I didn't think it was a bad choice of location, just not convenient for me.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:33 PM

Where's the "Because of Universe/Classics/Henkei" option? Seriously, a few years back we'd all be drooling over these toys. Now, however, unless it's a perfectly redesigned upgrade for a G1 character, most people are indifferent about the repaint. Don't get me wrong, there are exceptions, but it seems that most non-G1 toys that get cast as G1 characters are met with a tad more hostility than they have previously. Not that that a bad thing. Not that that a good thing. Just an observation.

That and the "They made more of them" option. Had they made the same as last year, they would have sold out within a month. Maybe a little longer. Still though, a long ass time ago. If you remember how rapidly that first 80% plus sold, that's probably around the usual number produced. There are really just a few stragglers preventing them from selling out. Nothing catastrophically "fail" about the numbers sold by any means.

Edited by NightViper, 22 May 2009 - 08:42 PM.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:56 PM

I dunno, all I want is Leozack and Banzai-Tron, cause I love me some obscure Transformers.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:38 PM

I suspect it's the economy.

And I seriously hope they have sets available online post-Con. While I've no eagerness to own Scourge, I'd like to have the others from the main set...and I'm sure Scourge could be sold easily on eBay.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ May 22 2009, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

Do you have any idea how many people take five and half hour flights to get to Botcon every year?

You have nothing to complain about, sir.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:52 PM

Well, to be fair, you can at least take a nap on a five hour flight. Not so much on a car trip, especially if he's driving.