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@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

http://i.imgur.com/qeoJpsf.jpg

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.


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#1 xZAOx

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:52 PM

2005, they can't get rid of them.

2006, sold all but 36, which were sold quickly online afterwards.

2007, sold out before BotCon.

2008, sold out even quicker.

So here we are at 2009, which a box set that's actually going to be available at the convention for late registration at a minimum. Why do you think this is?

I believe it's a combination of all factors, but I think the single biggest reason is that the toys are less popular this year. If the toys were more popular, I think more people would've made the effort to get out to California - or at the least, got an Iacon (non-attending) set.

Although I do know of multiple people that the economy, in some way, shape, or form, has caused them from being able to go this year.

And even though they've made more than ever before (Pete stated this), I bet they could've made the same amount for 2007 and 2008's sets and they still would've sold out. Probably even with 2006's set (even though it would've been post-convention).

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:59 PM

A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:59 PM

Yeah, probably a little of everything. I doubt they'll last through the weekend, though.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ May 22 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif

A five and a half hour drive is the closest you'll ever have it. I have that much just to get to the airport. icon-waspy.gif I'm taking two days there and two days back.

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Yeah, probably a little of everything. I doubt they'll last through the weekend, though.

Hm... I was going to say the location. *shrug* I think that could be narrowed down by finding out how many attendees fly VS drive/bus depending on the locations. I know it's pretty stupid for me to do this year.

I think FunPub probably shouldn't combine so many bad choices together if they can help it. (well... I guess they can't. maybe.) If they're going to have it on the West Coast, during a recession, make sure the exclusives are nostalgia-heavy. It's just not solid enough here. I think Razorclaw's probably the biggest draw. I think this was a BAD year to make TWO MASSIVE figures that are original characters. Even if it was Flak and Roadbuster (which neither of them are. It's not Roadbuster, and Flak's even less popular than the movie characters), it wouldn't be enough. This should have been the year we got Sunstorm. If FP's going to be adamant about not reusing a mold, then neither Energon or Classic Starscream's mold will be used for Sunstorm, and both/either lie with Hasbro.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:18 PM

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What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?


I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:19 PM

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What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?


I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

Perhaps even Rare Endangered Spy Crabs

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:23 PM

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What was the main reason BotCon 2009's set didn't sell out?


I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

Perhaps even Rare Endangered Spy Crabs


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#8 Shanghai

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:24 PM

Just flip them over and....


Well, you know the rest.



I can't really see how these have not sold out already, though lack of interest seems to be the biggest. I mean everyone HAD to have the jets, as we all remember. And Shattered Glass, while it had plenty of people who were not interested, at least won over many on concept. This one though, just doesn't have that spark, outside of a few of the characters. But yeah, a lot of factors play a part.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

I think all of the above.

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ May 22 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif


Oh, c'mon, I've made at least that much of a drive to BotCon probably seven times. Sometimes double that. Once triple. Don't make me laugh and/or mock you!

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:26 PM

Not so great figs in a crappy economy, hardly surprising they haven't sold out yet.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:13 PM

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I'm gonna chalk this one up to Crab People.

Perhaps even Rare Endangered Spy Crabs


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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:16 PM

Bad timing... and way too expensive.

This year.

Figures I'm moving out West next year. icon-screamer.gif
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:17 PM

If they still have some by weekend's ....end, at least when the next sold out set happens they'll have something better to offer than the 2005 set.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ May 22 2009, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not so great figs in a crappy economy, hardly surprising they haven't sold out yet.

I think it's more these two than anything.

I'm not going because of location, but I didn't think it was a bad choice of location, just not convenient for me.



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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:33 PM

Where's the "Because of Universe/Classics/Henkei" option? Seriously, a few years back we'd all be drooling over these toys. Now, however, unless it's a perfectly redesigned upgrade for a G1 character, most people are indifferent about the repaint. Don't get me wrong, there are exceptions, but it seems that most non-G1 toys that get cast as G1 characters are met with a tad more hostility than they have previously. Not that that a bad thing. Not that that a good thing. Just an observation.

That and the "They made more of them" option. Had they made the same as last year, they would have sold out within a month. Maybe a little longer. Still though, a long ass time ago. If you remember how rapidly that first 80% plus sold, that's probably around the usual number produced. There are really just a few stragglers preventing them from selling out. Nothing catastrophically "fail" about the numbers sold by any means.

Edited by NightViper, 22 May 2009 - 08:42 PM.


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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:56 PM

I dunno, all I want is Leozack and Banzai-Tron, cause I love me some obscure Transformers.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:38 PM

I suspect it's the economy.

And I seriously hope they have sets available online post-Con. While I've no eagerness to own Scourge, I'd like to have the others from the main set...and I'm sure Scourge could be sold easily on eBay.


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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ May 22 2009, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five and a half hour drive is pretty far. icon-screamer.gif


Do you have any idea how many people take five and half hour flights to get to Botcon every year?

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#20 Shanghai

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:52 PM

Well, to be fair, you can at least take a nap on a five hour flight. Not so much on a car trip, especially if he's driving.