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@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 01:16 PM)

Your spouse's brother is a PRIEST. If you were supposed to get hit by lightning, it would've happened by now.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 11:31 AM)

Now I want to make devil's food cake with holy water just to see if I get hit by lightning or something.

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 10:10 AM)

I hope not. Ruins the flavour.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 09:09 AM)

Did I put garlic or holy water in it or something?

@  Dracula : (26 August 2016 - 07:45 AM)

Cake? My only weakness! *bursts into flame*

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 05:15 AM)

Happy Birthday! *rolls a giant cake into the Shoutbox*

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

http://i.imgur.com/qeoJpsf.jpg

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.


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#1 lonegamer8

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:44 AM

Out Wednesday April 1, 2009. HEL-LOOO, Jazz-meister!

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 12:15 PM

crap! my local comic book store didn't have anything today because a storm last week here in colorado has delayed everything. have to wait til tomorrow to get this

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 12:18 PM

I don't think we needed a Spotlight to remind us of exactly why Jazz rocks. This doesn't hurt, mind, but it does feel like something of a cookie-cutter plot.

Not bad though. A flashback to - presumably - pre-Thunderwing Cybertron told sometime before AHM #1, and not a bad message.

Awesome art as always from Su, but I think van Reyk and Knowler need a little more practice with the format.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 03:56 PM

Nothing particularly bad. Nothing special either. Kind of in the "take it or leave it" pile along with Ramjet, Mirage, and Blurr. But much more enjoyable than any of them, I will say. EJ's art seemed a little sketchy here and there.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:53 PM

I really want a Deluxe Universe Jazz toy now.
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#6 lonegamer8

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 10:50 PM

QUOTE(Shockprowl04 @ Apr 1 2009, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing particularly bad. Nothing special either. Kind of in the "take it or leave it" pile along with Ramjet, Mirage, and Blurr. But much more enjoyable than any of them, I will say. EJ's art seemed a little sketchy here and there.

I had minor quibbles with EJ's art early on during the earlier -Ations, due to his TFs' expressions, or slight lack thereof. Details on physicals (neck cables, in between knuckles) are amazing but the facial expressions kinda fell flat (as compared to Don, Guido, or Nick). Here, some of them looked a little goofy, but I put it down to some of the grinning. However I consider it improvement. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 10:59 PM

Man, you can tell this was written by the Mosaic guys. Why?

TOTAL WISH FULFILLMENT FANFIC

Let's see. Tracks gets to tell a story! Everyone sits around and listens! Oh my God, they even SHAKE HIS HAND at the end, they are so enthralled by his awesome story! Oh man, wasn't that a great story? Whew! He sure tells good stories! Everyone will be talking about his awesome story.

And the story wasn't even all that great. OH HEY ONCE WE DIDN'T DIE? Because a helicopter arrived just in time? Dude, these guys have been fighting for millions of years. And they're dazzled by a series of cliches? Ooookay.

But, man! They sure loved his story!

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Apr 1 2009, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TOTAL WISH FULFILLMENT FANFIC


I could have told you that when I found out the premise was "Jazz (he's so cool) fights the Predacons (they're so tough)".

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 09:07 AM

I love how everyone gets along at the end. icon-fire.gif

Wonder what could've happened to make everyone antsy again by the time they were first shown on Cybertron in AHM? icon-wildride.gif

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:44 AM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Apr 2 2009, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love how everyone gets along at the end. icon-fire.gif

Wonder what could've happened to make everyone antsy again by the time they were first shown on Cybertron in AHM? icon-wildride.gif


Probably came off that "Volatile Planet Has Goofy Fumes" high.

I mean, c'mon. They were SHAKING HIS HAND because his STUPID STORY CHANGED THEIR LIVES. These were not well mechs. Either that, or they were just humoring Tracks. But why? That is a tale for another day...

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:44 PM

Jazz is one of my favorite characters, but that was just.....

Argh.

At least it was pretty most of the time.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:46 PM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Apr 2 2009, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Probably came off that "Volatile Planet Has Goofy Fumes" high.


Ah yes, I forgot about the fumes.....moving on.

edit: spelling

Edited by Robogeek1973, 02 April 2009 - 05:47 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2009 - 09:24 PM

Okay issue. Could've used more Drift, though.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:18 PM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Apr 1 2009, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, you can tell this was written by the Mosaic guys. Why?

TOTAL WISH FULFILLMENT FANFIC

Let's see. Tracks gets to tell a story! Everyone sits around and listens! Oh my God, they even SHAKE HIS HAND at the end, they are so enthralled by his awesome story! Oh man, wasn't that a great story? Whew! He sure tells good stories! Everyone will be talking about his awesome story.

And the story wasn't even all that great. OH HEY ONCE WE DIDN'T DIE? Because a helicopter arrived just in time? Dude, these guys have been fighting for millions of years. And they're dazzled by a series of cliches? Ooookay.

But, man! They sure loved his story!

PLEASE LOVE OUR STORY.

Yeah.

That sounds about right.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 02:20 AM

It was alright, I was hoping for something more grim and black ops-esque judging from what Kup said to Jazz early on in AHM about Jazz's past missions and that.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 03:20 AM

QUOTE(Reload @ Apr 3 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was alright, I was hoping for something more grim and black ops-esque judging from what Kup said to Jazz early on in AHM about Jazz's past missions and that.

I actually steered clear of previews for that book and frankly, this was what I was hoping for too.

Instead, we got... well... like I said earlier, Walky summed it up best.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 03:29 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Apr 3 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Reload @ Apr 3 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was alright, I was hoping for something more grim and black ops-esque judging from what Kup said to Jazz early on in AHM about Jazz's past missions and that.

I actually steered clear of previews for that book and frankly, this was what I was hoping for too.

Instead, we got... well... like I said earlier, Walky summed it up best.


I agree yeah, it was a bit cheesy.

Prowl's "Whaaaaaaat?" face at the end when Jazz said he already knew Track's story was a good example of this I think. Up to that point I genuinely thought Prowl had pieced together it was Jazz based on what he had gleamed from Track's story...but yeah.

It was nice seeing lots of typically underexposed characters being used, but yeah, cheesy stuff all round.

Edited by Reload, 03 April 2009 - 03:40 AM.


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 05:04 AM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Apr 2 2009, 04:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, you can tell this was written by the Mosaic guys. Why?

TOTAL WISH FULFILLMENT FANFIC

Let's see. Tracks gets to tell a story! Everyone sits around and listens! Oh my God, they even SHAKE HIS HAND at the end, they are so enthralled by his awesome story! Oh man, wasn't that a great story? Whew! He sure tells good stories! Everyone will be talking about his awesome story.

And the story wasn't even all that great. OH HEY ONCE WE DIDN'T DIE? Because a helicopter arrived just in time? Dude, these guys have been fighting for millions of years. And they're dazzled by a series of cliches? Ooookay.

But, man! They sure loved his story!

PLEASE LOVE OUR STORY.


The vaguely sad thing is, I'd wonder if they actually knew they were doing it, or if it just came out that way subconsciously.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 05:22 AM

not bad for a debut effort,
personally i would of preferred it to seen more internal narrative from Jazz, but i know with the Special Op's stuff it could of turned into something too reminiscent of Hot Rod Spotlight.
But i do know i was expecting something more SAS in style, I'd pictured Jazz being more James Bondish, doing assasinations or Kidnapping of Decepticon hi rankers, i mean yeah maybe not torture (more a Repugnus gig) but something a bit grittier. Being as completely unbiased as i can, i think whilst it was a good uplifting story, it just didnt suit the character of Jazz well enough for me, dunno who it would of worked better with, Springer maybe ?
Also i think the art had a few bad panels, there was one where everyone was crowded round tracks and both Lines and colours just weren't as hawt as these guys normally produce,

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:53 AM

Before I read this issue, I was torn on what kind of approach I should take in judging it, knowing that some 'newbie' fans like myself were the ones breaking it out.

I decided, "Hey, if I'm paying the $3.99 to read it, then I should not evaluate with kid gloves on, I should evaluate it just as I would any other Spotlight comic".

So I did just that.

And loved it.

From start to finish, this story kept my attention, and as the story unfolded whilst reading it, I think a congratulative smile kind of crept onto my face.

So yeah, congrats to you guys for putting this together. I found it to be just the kind of tale that got me into Transformers in the first place, full of heart and spirit with just the right amount of suspense, action, and humor. What a spotlight should be, really.

In particular, I applaud the decision to include a two-page spread of Jazz going at it with Razorclaw. Some might find this wasted space, but I have found that these kind of battles have been somewhat neglected of late. I think Prime vs. Megs in Escalation was maybe the last time such focus had been put on a fight.

And let's face it, these are the kind of battles that cemented our love of Transformers in our youth, and it's nice to rekindle a bit of that now and then.

Also, nice use of 'tech'. These are robots, after all, so it's nice to see the use of a cable-toted camera retracting from Jazz's wrist, for example, and the static-like vision from Tracks damaged optics. Nice touches.

I am hardpressed to find something I didn't like, but if put to the task, i would say the Predacons were too easily taken out. One could still rationalize this, though, by saying they had not faced an opponent with the cunning, guile, and heart of Jazz. So it still works on some level, IMO.

One of the best Spotlight yet to see print.

Strong work.

Give it an "A".

With MD #4, twas a great day to be a TF comic fan.