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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#1 Freddycon

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 08:26 AM

Well, I thought I'd finally get around to it and list off the TF's I have in my own collection, so here we go!

McDonald's Happy meal releases-
(Animated)
Bumblebee
Ratchet
Megatron
Lugnut
(Cybertron)
Optimus Prime

Animated
Starscream
Autobot Jazz
Optimus Prime (Cybertronian Mode)
Sentinel Prime
Prowl
Ratchet
Elite Guard Bumblebee
Lockdown
Stealth Lockdown (With Legends class Optimus Prime and Bumblebee)
Soundwave (With Laserbeak)
Oil Slick
Megatron (Leader Class)
Blackarachnia
Megatron (Cybertronian mode) and Optimus Prime 2-pack (The Battle Begins)
Lugnut
Swoop
Snarl

Movie
Optimus Prime (Leader Class)
Bumblebee (Premium)
Autobot Jazz (Premium)
Barricade w/ Frenzy (Premium)
Stealth Bumblebee
Starscream (Deep Space version)
Thundercracker
Protoform Optimus Prime
Protoform Starscream
Jungle Bonecrusher
Stockade
Cliffjumper
Autobot Camshaft
Salvage
Landmine
Overcast

Classics Universe
Tread Bolt
Galvatron
Acid Storm
Sunstreaker
Sideswipe
Prowl
Silverstreak
Ironhide
Tankor

that's all I have for now but believe me, there WILL be more! lol!

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Posted 29 January 2009 - 07:39 PM

Just added some more today!

G1 Soundwave with Laserbeak and Overkill (Missing Ok's weapons)
Masterpiece Optimus Prime (No box or accessories except Matrix)
Masterpiece Megatron (In box with all accessories)

Man I am so stoked to have these! :-D

Edited by Freddycon, 29 January 2009 - 07:45 PM.


#3 Freddycon

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:25 PM

Just added Movie Ironhide (Premium version) and Movie Bonecrusher to my sets! :-D

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 04:33 PM

Bought myself Animated Grimlock today to finish off my Dinobot trio.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 10:55 AM

Have now added Onslaught and Silverbolt to my Classics collection. Nice to have the Team Leaders, even if they're not true gestalt commanders. (Sighs dramatically!)

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 02:33 PM

Just got Powerglide today, gotta love sales where an Ultra Class is just $20!

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 11:51 AM

Added Decepticon Drop Shot and Autobot Blades to the set. Man I love the smell of new plastic crack feeding my addiction, lol!

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 05:37 AM

A good friend of mine got me Animated Swindle! Loving good deals like this, lol!

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 12:06 PM

Just added five new members to the collection!

Animated:
Blurr
Bumblebee
Blazing Lockdown

G1 Re-issues:
Jazz
Silverstreak

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 01:08 PM

Reissue Silverstreak is a great toy. He was my very first reissue, found him on clearance for $9 in a battered box at a TRU long after the line had been discontinued.... must have found him somewhere in the storeroom and just wanted to get rid of him.

Grats on the haul, & looks like you got a nice start on your collection just beware of the Geewon-Bug it can get to be expensive lol

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#11 Freddycon

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 05:21 PM

ooh, I know, I've seen so many G1's in various sales online and I nearly cry because I can't afford them! lol

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 06:49 PM

A bit of advice, before your collection gets to be tooooo large, donloade a program like Open Office (free) or Excell & keep a database or spreadsheet to inventory your collection. It's easy to forget what you have sometimes with a large collection & and hard to do once you get to that point.

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#13 Freddycon

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 01:26 PM

I've got most of them opened and on display on my shelves and bookcases, so it's pretty easy to remember which I have and which I need. Hardest part is either affording or just finding the ones I want/need to complete a set or series. Lucky a good friend of mine is an avid collector as well, and usualy more than willing to help me with my "Plastic Crack" adicition, lol!

Speaking of which, I just added two more today! ROTF Bumblebee and Soundwave! Bumblebee is almost exactly like his previous movie incarnation, but a better Plasma cannon and firing projectile are nice changes. Soundwave is wicked cool and actually a Triple-Changer, but man he is confusing to transform!!! Oh well, I love him anyways, just because he's Soundwave!

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 06:54 PM

Just got Samurai Prowl tonight, Very cool figure!

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Posted 25 May 2009 - 04:56 PM

Scored a FREE Leader Class Ultra Magnus! Gotta love the Hammer! icon-ironhide.gif

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 12:36 PM

Have been on a spree with Revenge of the Falllen toys!

Sideways
Rampage
Sideswipe
Breakaway

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 11:28 AM

Just added Universe's Decepticon Heavy Load w/ Minicon Drill Bit, as well as a "Heroes of Cybertron" G1 Bumblebee keychain to my collection!

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Posted 04 June 2009 - 02:26 PM

Did some more shopping today, and got Animated Waspinator, as well as ROTF Demolishor! (Freaking SWEET Decepticon, I must say!)

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE(Freddycon @ Jun 3 2009, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just added Universe's Decepticon Heavy Load w/ Minicon Drill Bit, as well as a "Heroes of Cybertron" G1 Bumblebee keychain to my collection!

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE(Th0r4z1n3 @ Jun 6 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Freddycon @ Jun 3 2009, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just added Universe's Decepticon Heavy Load w/ Minicon Drill Bit, as well as a "Heroes of Cybertron" G1 Bumblebee keychain to my collection!

Hope you like the BB


Oh, I do! Classic G1 goodness! (And none of the limp floppiness in the arms, either!)