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@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.


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#1 Bass X0

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 04:19 PM

http://www.tfw2005.c...cts-listed.html

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Just received my off-month TFCC magazine, and for those of you who are club members, you know that we get an order form listing products "in stock" at the club store and available preorders these months. Well, this month's order form has some listings of toys we haven't heard of (or at least haven't been officially confirmed yet), so I thought I'd share.

The preorder deadline listed for these is March 3, so I'd imagine April is when we'd see these new Animated products:

Animated Deluxe Wave 3 '09: Arcee, Electrostatic Soundwave
Animated Voyager Wave 3 '09: Hydrodive Bumblebee, "Golfire" Grimlock

Keep in mind that these are just listings, so I have no idea what these products look like or anything. And I'm not sure what's up with "Golfire"-- I'm guessing it's a typo or shorthand for something longer, but I can't figure out what. "Goldenfire," perhaps?

Edited by Bass X0, 07 December 2009 - 09:29 AM.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 04:23 PM


I thought the Q&A mentioned a Bumblebee-with-accessory at a smaller pricepoint, yet here's a Voyager. Maybe they're both coming out?

I hope Electro-Soundwave's new partner is Ratbat, who turns into a drum set.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 04:30 PM

"Electrostatic" does not sound like Soundblaster.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 04:57 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Dec 26 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought the Q&A mentioned a Bumblebee-with-accessory at a smaller pricepoint, yet here's a Voyager. Maybe they're both coming out?

I hope Electro-Soundwave's new partner is Ratbat, who turns into a drum set.

What I got from what they said was a small Bumblebee with more stuff.

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:04 PM

I'm pretty sure only 1 1/2 of them are repaints.
As Soundwave is supposed to have a new minion.
Although I guess Grimlock might come with something new.

I'm mainly disappointed with the fact that out of the four of them. There's only one new character.

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Dec 26 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought the Q&A mentioned a Bumblebee-with-accessory at a smaller pricepoint, yet here's a Voyager. Maybe they're both coming out?

I hope Electro-Soundwave's new partner is Ratbat, who turns into a drum set.


It was a smaller Bumblebee with a large accessory. They never actually said anything about price point.
Although most of us assumed it would be a deluxe.


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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:11 PM

Smaller Bumblebee, larger accessory, Voyager Class, "Hydrodrive". So he comes with a boat that he can sit in! And a captain's hat! And a spyglass! And a tongue-tied parrot who thinks he's better with women than he actually is...

...Or somethin' icon-fire.gif

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:16 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Dec 26 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Smaller Bumblebee, larger accessory, Voyager Class, "Hydrodrive". So he comes with a boat that he can sit in! And a captain's hat! And a spyglass! And a tongue-tied parrot who thinks he's better with women than he actually is...

...Or somethin' icon-fire.gif

I was just thing how much and Activators sized Bee would need to be packed with to be sold at Voyager prices. Maybe he come with a boat Fanzone and Sari?

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:18 PM

voyager class bumblebee?!!!!! what the crap?!! we don't need anymore big bumblebees!!!

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:18 PM

The new Bee needs to be much larger than the Activators version. I don't know where people got the completely insane idea that that thing is in any kind of scale with the larger figures.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:25 PM

Bumblebee sounds weird but interesting. I just hope he's in scale as promised. I expect Grimlock to be a straight repaint with no new accessories. Electrostatic Soundwave sounds cool. Glad to see Arcee more solidly confirmed. I hope she has a car alt mode, not a bike (again).

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE(Yovnocrats @ Dec 26 2008, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The new Bee needs to be much larger than the Activators version. I don't know where people got the completely insane idea that that thing is in any kind of scale with the larger figures.

The last Hasbro Q&A.

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:51 PM

New Minion for Soundwave? Aw man...that means I have to buy him...I don't want any recolors...shot. Arcee sounds good...Voyager Bee? huh...

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:53 PM

QUOTE(Smitty @ Dec 26 2008, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Yovnocrats @ Dec 26 2008, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The new Bee needs to be much larger than the Activators version. I don't know where people got the completely insane idea that that thing is in any kind of scale with the larger figures.

The last Hasbro Q&A.

I think he's talking about Activators 'bee.


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Posted 26 December 2008 - 05:58 PM

A Grimlock who plays golf. I love it. Here's hoping his new colour scheme is all plaid!
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Posted 26 December 2008 - 06:06 PM

Golfire sounds like such a super-robot name.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 06:09 PM

Hydrodrive Bumblebee sounds awesome. Can't wait to see his accessory.

Edited by Spin-Out, 26 December 2008 - 06:43 PM.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 06:48 PM

QUOTE(Yovnocrats @ Dec 26 2008, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The new Bee needs to be much larger than the Activators version. I don't know where people got the completely insane idea that that thing is in any kind of scale with the larger figures.

Probably some screwy comedy scene, like the one in "Sari, Nobody's Home" where Ratchet holds him up by his foot and he's about the size of Ratchet's arm. Animated is terrible for scale consistency. Maybe not "Hoist driving a truck" terrible, but still pretty bad...

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 07:01 PM

activators bumblebee is closer in scale to deluxe ratchet and prowl than the deluxe bumblebee toy is. he's supposed to be smaller so with the toys available, the activators toy works the best.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Dec 26 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought the Q&A mentioned a Bumblebee-with-accessory at a smaller pricepoint, yet here's a Voyager. Maybe they're both coming out?


His size class was never mentioned. Just that his toy was smaller than the Deluxe, and that he'd be coming with a large-ass accessory.

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I hope Electro-Soundwave's new partner is Ratbat, who turns into a drum set.


Ratbat, at least, seems likely, given Wyatt's love for the guy.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 07:43 PM

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Dec 26 2008, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
activators bumblebee is closer in scale to deluxe ratchet and prowl than the deluxe bumblebee toy is. he's supposed to be smaller so with the toys available, the activators toy works the best.



The Activators is just simply too small in both modes to be anywhere near accurate scale with the other Autobots. If you follow the rule of Prowl being just taller than bumblebee, none of his current toys work. Deluxe is much too big and bulky, and the Activators is too short and inaccurate. Neither is really any closer to being 'in scale' than the other. The Deluxe would have been fine if they had just scaled everything down a tad. If he was just shorter than Prowl in robot mode, his car mode and limbs would have been okay too. His proportions compared to the animation would still be off (the toy has huge feet and large, misshapen arm kibble.) I'm hoping that if they're putting the effort into re-making him, they also spent some time making him actually look like the character we've had presented to us.