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@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that continuity after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same continuity.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o

@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

DON'T TALK TO ME! DON'T TALK TO ME, CRIMINAL!

@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)

GRANMAMA DRINK YO PRUNE JUICE

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)

Who?

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:23 PM)

When someone stands next to say, Optimus Prime's leg it would just look like there's a large blue rectangle.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:21 PM)

In live-action, they would all look flat and underdetailed when they're supposed to be huge.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:32 PM)

I'm 90% sure they will be using more G1-ish designs in the reboot (if there'll be such a thing of course). They already used over-complicated movie designs, they'll return to G1.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:15 PM)

All I'm saying is when they reboot it, they might want to try something they never did in the screen and use G1-ish designs.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:57 PM)

Why? Would a classic G1 aesthetic make money?

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:38 PM)

I don't think that switching to G1 would "correct" anything.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:22 PM)

I actually believe they would switch to G1 because I feel like the next director would try to correct 'wrongs' of the older movies.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 02:15 PM)

Also, if they get to the point of completely rebooting the movies with an entirely different aesthetic I highly doubt they'd switch specifically to G1.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

A design alone doesn't say anything. The designs and the setting together are what TFWiki would deliberate upon.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

I know but a movie character would definitely gets his sub page because of the tie-ins, it would be far too long.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sub-pages are not done because of new franchises; they are done for length reasons.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

I mean if they look like this: http://www.allspark....-1471381025.jpg

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:02 PM)

If they were in the G1 continuity (which I doubt would happen), then yes. Otherwise, a reboot would likely be separate from G1 and the current Movieverse.


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#1 Spectre

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:28 AM

Beast Wars Sourcebook Issue #3 continues the tradition of the Sourcebook by being filled with errors. The most glaring one that I can find is that IDW let Frank Milkovich contribute his art.

There are some pretty silly things when it comes to the text, too. TM Rhinox is apparently a vok-created body that Rhinox uses to travel the multiverse post-BM, and Shadow Panther isn't Ravage but he's just like Ravage.

Oh, and Ramulus is "even-tempered".

I think IDW is just messing with us, now.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:35 AM

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TM Rhinox is apparently a vok-created body that Rhinox uses to travel the multiverse post-BM


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That was seriously the best they could come up with?

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:37 AM

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:40 AM

It's also worth mentioning that this guy drew like 10 characters.

Meanwhile, no Nick Roche anywhere.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:41 AM

Don't expect mercy Walky, after all they likely followed this

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:46 AM

Ah, but while Ramulus is even-tempered, he can also be goated into rash action, as per his weaknesses. These might seem completely contradictory, but...um...nice picture.

Also, Ravage apparently transforms into a "name". It seems under the art for his cassette mode, someone forgot to take out the place-holder word "Name" and replace it with the actual description, like "cassette".

There are some interesting little additions, though. Transmetal 2 Prowl is apparently Binaltech Prowl II, the one made from Chip Chase in the BT story blurbs. There's also the suggest that the Transmetal Rhinox seen in the Unicron Trilogy is actually BW Rhinox, plucked out of the Matrix after his death and transmetallized by the Vok into being a dimension-hopping "catalyst of change". Finally, Scarem is apparently fully aware that he is a Maximal protoform under the control of a Predacon shell program, and is constantly raging against it internally.

Neat tidbits, but still don't make up for the art in some cases. Rartorarta is freaky looking enough without having him hunched over so that it looks like his head is in his chest. And Quickstrike, poor Quickstrike...

#7 Wildwade

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:54 AM

Huh, I was told it didn't ship today...

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:56 AM

QUOTE(Xaaron @ Jan 4 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are some interesting little additions, though. Transmetal 2 Prowl is apparently Binaltech Prowl II, the one made from Chip Chase in the BT story blurbs. There's also the suggest that the Transmetal Rhinox seen in the Unicron Trilogy is actually BW Rhinox, plucked out of the Matrix after his death and transmetallized by the Vok into being a dimension-hopping "catalyst of change". Finally, Scarem is apparently fully aware that he is a Maximal protoform under the control of a Predacon shell program, and is constantly raging against it internally.

But BW Rhinox WAS plucked out of the Matrix...in Universe.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:57 AM

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Oh BALLS.

I want to see what the hug Silverbolt he was using for reference for that pic...

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:59 AM

QUOTE(Wildwade @ Jan 5 2008, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Huh, I was told it didn't ship today...

I didn't see it today either, but now I doubt I'll even buy it.

But Ravage transforming into a name sounds hilarious.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:04 AM

Can we stop having exceedingly tenuous and poorly-thought-out Rube-Goldbergian "this new character MUST be this other original character!!!!!" fanon getting canonized? This is painful.


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:11 AM

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Ah, but while Ramulus is even-tempered, he can also be goated into rash action


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:16 AM

I'd have been fine with Prowl being a reincarnation of the original because his Bio alludes to that idea.

Other than that.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:25 AM

I'd have been happy with Prowl simply being a delusional nut who thought he was G1 Prowl but really isn't. It's funnier.

(Also, who WASN'T on the goddamn Axalon anymore?)


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:28 AM

And now the inevitable countdown until Ben "reviews" the sourcebook by defending all of his choices.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:01 AM

Absolutely terrible. I'd say expected except IDW promised us there wouldn't be these glaring errors anymore. Yes, the horrendous art isn't an "error", but stuff like Ravage's altmode being NAME and Rartorarta being out of order (seriously, how freaking hard is it to alphabetize a list?!) IS.

The weird thing is, I actually kinda liked Milkovich's Rattrap...the robot mode doesn't have a great pose, but it's a decent rendition of the character, and he actually draws the beast mode like it looks on the show. Rhinox is passable, but Silverbolt...ye gods. Razorclaw looks horrendous (for an example of how he SHOULD be done, look at Rockbuster). Khanna's Rampage is good, but I would swear that he just lifted it exactly from the art he did of Rampage before (a minor complaint, I know). And why the hug are Powerpinch and Scissor Boy in the exact same pose, reversed, except with completely different details? Here's a hint IDW, you don't make the exact repaints look different by making the same artist do them. Random 'bots have alternate head designs when others don't. The whole thing looks like it hasn't been inked, just penciled and colored.

And that's just the art...the writing...ugh. The quotes are horrible, and this is indefensible for the show characters who HAD a plethora of good quotes to use. "Peace is the absence of conflict and the presence of justice" is NOT something that Optimus Primal would have ever uttered with a straight face. Rampage wasn't evil, he was tortured. "Be a straight shooter and your friends and enemies will respect ya." (Rattrap...what?!) "The only true loyalty is to oneself" (Scorponok...that's like, the exact opposite of his personality). I still hate how all the show character bios aren't personalities, but a personal history of their show exploits. Honestly, I love Ben Yee, but he was NOT the person to do this book.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:10 AM

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Oh BALLS.

I want to see what the hug Silverbolt he was using for reference for that pic...


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:18 AM

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And why the hug are Powerpinch and Scissor Boy in the exact same pose, reversed, except with completely different details? Here's a hint IDW, you don't make the exact repaints look different by making the same artist do them.

Powerpinch and Scissor Boy aren't even redecoes. They're the same toy in the same colors, just released in different markets.


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:24 AM

I like the 70s Marvel vibe that Milkovich and Williams bring. Of course, I'd also like it if Bill Sienkiewicz did some profile art. icon-hotrod.gif IDIC, man.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 07:00 AM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ Jan 5 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(Also, who WASN'T on the goddamn Axalon anymore?)


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