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@  NightViper : (30 September 2016 - 08:38 PM)

*Snaps towel*

@  ShadowMan024 : (30 September 2016 - 06:10 PM)

FOOL! *points cane at NightViper*

@  NightViper : (30 September 2016 - 06:06 PM)

It's not "Fools of towel play"? Damn.

@  RichardT1977 : (30 September 2016 - 05:20 PM)

Huh, I always thought it was "tools of power play".

@  Nevermore : (30 September 2016 - 03:30 PM)

http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/133313-instruments-of-destruction-30th-anniversary-edition-youtube-video-and-legal-purchase-links-inside/

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 September 2016 - 03:18 PM)

tools of foul play

@  Nevermore : (30 September 2016 - 03:04 PM)

instruments of destruction

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 September 2016 - 03:01 PM)

Maybe like how Megaempress and her 4 Guards showed up so many male Cybertrons and Destrons. *snerk*

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 September 2016 - 03:00 PM)

Maybe as a female EDC officer who actually kicks his ass for a change.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 September 2016 - 03:00 PM)

And Carly too.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 September 2016 - 03:00 PM)

I would be thrilled to see him in the IDW continuity in the near future.

@  zephyrX9 : (29 September 2016 - 02:56 PM)

when the hell is chip chase gonna come back?

@  Robowang : (29 September 2016 - 11:14 AM)

Like a letter to my mom from prison inmates!

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 09:29 PM)

Oh wait, I see it's been addressed.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 09:27 PM)

I was when I posted that, yeah. I'll let you know if it happens again.

@  Dracula : (28 September 2016 - 02:10 PM)

You're clicking on threads and they're redirecting to that?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 01:05 PM)

Why do forum pages keep forwarding me to this? http://www.allsparkt...2VjMDYxZTQxYmVl

@  Broadside : (28 September 2016 - 12:05 PM)

Anyone know what the caption on this page refers to? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primon

@  RichardT1977 : (28 September 2016 - 09:53 AM)

After the season finale where RM Corp found a way to make thinking Bots, I was hoping for a continuation of the story where Paradim learned the hard way the downside of Bots that can say, "No."

@  Rycochet : (28 September 2016 - 09:40 AM)

I liked Phantom 2040 more.

@  Blues : (27 September 2016 - 05:08 PM)

I LOVE BOT MASTER SO MUCH. Too bad the toys sucked. I even own jungle fiver. I love him so much, but he can barely stand on his own.

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 September 2016 - 05:03 PM)

That's the 90s.

@  MEDdMI : (27 September 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Ninjzz? That's an unfortunate name.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 04:44 PM)

Also I thought Fico Ossio was quite nice on Revolutions.

@  Rycochet : (27 September 2016 - 04:36 PM)

You know the planet is in a jam, a diabolical plan of only one man. Louis Leon Paradim an international punk, and his army of 3As are his piece of junk.

@  Telly : (27 September 2016 - 04:26 PM)

for the longest time i thought jungle fiver was called jungle fiBer

@  Bass X0 : (27 September 2016 - 04:21 PM)

Does anybody remember the cartoon Bots Master? I enjoyed the show but looking back on it, most of the robot designs were lame. The only cool designs were Jungle Fiver and Ninjzz although the toys were nothing compared to Transformers of course. I thought the main human characters were decent enough for a show about robots. 

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 02:43 PM)

Although this is odd to me, since I'm fairly sure they are/were good friends.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 02:42 PM)

Yeah I stopped liking the guy when I found his Twitter.

@  zephyrX9 : (27 September 2016 - 12:35 PM)

https://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/779870732935233536 link

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2016 - 09:16 AM)

I cut out the middleman and assume that they're all jerks and/or shills.

@  Rycochet : (27 September 2016 - 07:15 AM)

Social media is the worst thing to happen to fandom, you can now see people whose work you like being jerks or shills on a daily basis, which is worse than a bad interview or two.

@  Robowang : (27 September 2016 - 07:12 AM)

Dirty Jerk Warts?

@  Broadside : (27 September 2016 - 07:05 AM)

Also, I guess he hates IDW Soundwave for not being an emotionless brick like the cartoon version? Man. Any enjoyment of Animated in future is going to be tainted for me by the fact that DJW is the worst kind of boring Geewunner.

@  Broadside : (27 September 2016 - 07:04 AM)

He also hates Action Man for no apparent reason other than "I don't know who this is and I don't care to find out". Which isn't fair, because Ian is the best character in IDW.

@  Jalaguy : (27 September 2016 - 06:47 AM)

DJW was mouthing off about the art for Revolution the other day too, doesn't entirely surprise.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 05:11 AM)

Do you have a link, zephyr?

@  Cabooceratops : (27 September 2016 - 01:36 AM)

bweh!!

@  Cabooceratops : (27 September 2016 - 01:36 AM)

bweh bweh

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 10:11 PM)

Sipher's.

@  Telly : (26 September 2016 - 10:08 PM)

*has flashbacks of the "image wars"*

@  Touch My Thighs : (26 September 2016 - 09:30 PM)

Sakamoto or Sipher's art?

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 September 2016 - 08:17 PM)

Oof.

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 08:05 PM)

Sipher made a sarcastic remark about Sakamoto's skeeviness. Derrick called him an a**hole, and insulted his art, which was a low, unnecessary blow.

@  Touch My Thighs : (26 September 2016 - 07:43 PM)

What did Derrick do?

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 07:42 PM)

That makes sense, thank you.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (26 September 2016 - 07:30 PM)

Derrick J. Wyatt?

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 07:21 PM)

Djw?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 05:45 PM)

wow, didn't expect to have to block djw on twitter

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 September 2016 - 02:48 PM)

Yeah, it was really sad that they didn't survive in any of the endings. Eaten by Unicron every time.


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#1 Spectre

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:28 AM

Beast Wars Sourcebook Issue #3 continues the tradition of the Sourcebook by being filled with errors. The most glaring one that I can find is that IDW let Frank Milkovich contribute his art.

There are some pretty silly things when it comes to the text, too. TM Rhinox is apparently a vok-created body that Rhinox uses to travel the multiverse post-BM, and Shadow Panther isn't Ravage but he's just like Ravage.

Oh, and Ramulus is "even-tempered".

I think IDW is just messing with us, now.

Edited by Spectre, 05 January 2008 - 12:29 AM.


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:35 AM

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TM Rhinox is apparently a vok-created body that Rhinox uses to travel the multiverse post-BM


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That was seriously the best they could come up with?

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:37 AM

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God has forsaken us.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:40 AM

It's also worth mentioning that this guy drew like 10 characters.

Meanwhile, no Nick Roche anywhere.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:41 AM

Don't expect mercy Walky, after all they likely followed this

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:46 AM

Ah, but while Ramulus is even-tempered, he can also be goated into rash action, as per his weaknesses. These might seem completely contradictory, but...um...nice picture.

Also, Ravage apparently transforms into a "name". It seems under the art for his cassette mode, someone forgot to take out the place-holder word "Name" and replace it with the actual description, like "cassette".

There are some interesting little additions, though. Transmetal 2 Prowl is apparently Binaltech Prowl II, the one made from Chip Chase in the BT story blurbs. There's also the suggest that the Transmetal Rhinox seen in the Unicron Trilogy is actually BW Rhinox, plucked out of the Matrix after his death and transmetallized by the Vok into being a dimension-hopping "catalyst of change". Finally, Scarem is apparently fully aware that he is a Maximal protoform under the control of a Predacon shell program, and is constantly raging against it internally.

Neat tidbits, but still don't make up for the art in some cases. Rartorarta is freaky looking enough without having him hunched over so that it looks like his head is in his chest. And Quickstrike, poor Quickstrike...

#7 Wildwade

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:54 AM

Huh, I was told it didn't ship today...

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:56 AM

QUOTE(Xaaron @ Jan 4 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are some interesting little additions, though. Transmetal 2 Prowl is apparently Binaltech Prowl II, the one made from Chip Chase in the BT story blurbs. There's also the suggest that the Transmetal Rhinox seen in the Unicron Trilogy is actually BW Rhinox, plucked out of the Matrix after his death and transmetallized by the Vok into being a dimension-hopping "catalyst of change". Finally, Scarem is apparently fully aware that he is a Maximal protoform under the control of a Predacon shell program, and is constantly raging against it internally.

But BW Rhinox WAS plucked out of the Matrix...in Universe.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:57 AM

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Oh BALLS.

I want to see what the hug Silverbolt he was using for reference for that pic...

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:59 AM

QUOTE(Wildwade @ Jan 5 2008, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Huh, I was told it didn't ship today...

I didn't see it today either, but now I doubt I'll even buy it.

But Ravage transforming into a name sounds hilarious.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:04 AM

Can we stop having exceedingly tenuous and poorly-thought-out Rube-Goldbergian "this new character MUST be this other original character!!!!!" fanon getting canonized? This is painful.


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:11 AM

QUOTE(Xaaron @ Jan 4 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah, but while Ramulus is even-tempered, he can also be goated into rash action


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:16 AM

I'd have been fine with Prowl being a reincarnation of the original because his Bio alludes to that idea.

Other than that.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:25 AM

I'd have been happy with Prowl simply being a delusional nut who thought he was G1 Prowl but really isn't. It's funnier.

(Also, who WASN'T on the goddamn Axalon anymore?)


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:28 AM

And now the inevitable countdown until Ben "reviews" the sourcebook by defending all of his choices.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:01 AM

Absolutely terrible. I'd say expected except IDW promised us there wouldn't be these glaring errors anymore. Yes, the horrendous art isn't an "error", but stuff like Ravage's altmode being NAME and Rartorarta being out of order (seriously, how freaking hard is it to alphabetize a list?!) IS.

The weird thing is, I actually kinda liked Milkovich's Rattrap...the robot mode doesn't have a great pose, but it's a decent rendition of the character, and he actually draws the beast mode like it looks on the show. Rhinox is passable, but Silverbolt...ye gods. Razorclaw looks horrendous (for an example of how he SHOULD be done, look at Rockbuster). Khanna's Rampage is good, but I would swear that he just lifted it exactly from the art he did of Rampage before (a minor complaint, I know). And why the hug are Powerpinch and Scissor Boy in the exact same pose, reversed, except with completely different details? Here's a hint IDW, you don't make the exact repaints look different by making the same artist do them. Random 'bots have alternate head designs when others don't. The whole thing looks like it hasn't been inked, just penciled and colored.

And that's just the art...the writing...ugh. The quotes are horrible, and this is indefensible for the show characters who HAD a plethora of good quotes to use. "Peace is the absence of conflict and the presence of justice" is NOT something that Optimus Primal would have ever uttered with a straight face. Rampage wasn't evil, he was tortured. "Be a straight shooter and your friends and enemies will respect ya." (Rattrap...what?!) "The only true loyalty is to oneself" (Scorponok...that's like, the exact opposite of his personality). I still hate how all the show character bios aren't personalities, but a personal history of their show exploits. Honestly, I love Ben Yee, but he was NOT the person to do this book.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:10 AM

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Oh BALLS.

I want to see what the hug Silverbolt he was using for reference for that pic...


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I think it was this.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE(Magnusblitz @ Jan 5 2008, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And why the hug are Powerpinch and Scissor Boy in the exact same pose, reversed, except with completely different details? Here's a hint IDW, you don't make the exact repaints look different by making the same artist do them.

Powerpinch and Scissor Boy aren't even redecoes. They're the same toy in the same colors, just released in different markets.


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:24 AM

I like the 70s Marvel vibe that Milkovich and Williams bring. Of course, I'd also like it if Bill Sienkiewicz did some profile art. icon-hotrod.gif IDIC, man.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 07:00 AM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ Jan 5 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(Also, who WASN'T on the goddamn Axalon anymore?)


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