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#61 ChessPieceFace

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone interested in the original Tom DeSanto treatment for Movie #1? Don appears to have no objections to sharing it.

I think it sucked big time. Glad they completely dropped it in favor of the movie we ultimately did get.

Ha! That really was awful. There wasn't even enough substance for a movie. It was a 30-minute '80s Transformers cartoon (The Autobots don't trust anyone over 13! OMG the Decepticons scanned nuclear missiles and now they can explode!), spliced with a clone of E.T. The real movie's plot was thin, but at least SOMEthing happened.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 01:49 PM

I like how all the people attached to the production of this movie behave like true professionals and never call each other names in public.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 01:50 PM

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Why is anyone listening to Don Murphy at all? He was so marginalized on the last film (once it got started) that Michael Bay even made some comment about him not being involved with the "day to day" type stuff. Seriously, if you are a producer of a movie, and the director says you aren't involved with the "day to day" of the movie, then that means you don't mean jive to the production. Granted, I wasn't there, but still, that's a heck of a big thing to say in this movie business.

Not to mention, Bay got pissed at him and Desanto for trying to hop on the screenwriting credit. Bay has Spielberg on his side. Don Murphy doesn't. Don Murphy loses.

My point being: Don Murphy seems to bit full of it. Not that Nelson is particularly trustworthy either, but at least he's (barely) in the camp that actually seems to be making the decisions.


Particularly trustworthy? I have not lied or deceived anyone in regards to the production. I might've said things harshly and insulted some people who deserved it, but I don't lie. Why should I?



Movie production companies and studios are full of disinformation and half-truths prior to a movie's release. They have to be. Just the nature of the business, as I am sure you know. You work for one of those entities, so you are part of their machine. Nothing against you personally, I'm assuming you're a great guy simply because you put all this work into providing the Transformers sites with info. But at the end of the day, where you get your info is just as suspect as where Don Murphy gets his. I could believe absolutely everything you say, but that doesn't mean it will all be proven true by the time the movie comes out. Such is the life of a cynic. I don't think you are a liar, I just don't think you are provided with the whole truth, either. But by all means, keep up the good work.

I am more willing to believe you than I am Don Murphy, but I shan't be placing bets on anything either of you are reporting this early on in the production.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:11 PM

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But at the end of the day, where you get your info is just as suspect as where Don Murphy gets his. I could believe absolutely everything you say, but that doesn't mean it will all be proven true by the time the movie comes out. Such is the life of a cynic. I don't think you are a liar, I just don't think you are provided with the whole truth, either. But by all means, keep up the good work.

I am more willing to believe you than I am Don Murphy, but I shan't be placing bets on anything either of you are reporting this early on in the production.


Thanks...

Actually, the source of the information that I get is different than Don's.

I have direct access to Bay (I don't even have to go through his executive assistant...who is wonderful BTW). Michael is in charge of all creative decisions and is on this project day to day. For instance, I found out Don was not aware of what was going to happen this past weekend in regards to the leaked treatment. I did, and vaguely warned those who visit SFTE. (BTW, if someone here thinks I'm dissing Don, I'm not. I've met him and he was extremely nice & welcoming when I arrived at his office. He is a wonderful person and I maintain a good relationship with him. He is a very passionate man who loves his work...which is more than I could say for some people in the biz).

In regards to being provided with the whole truth, you'd be surprised. I have never had Bay say to me "I can't tell you" or had a question answered half-ass, because I know how to ask the right questions. I've always had my questions answered honestly by Bay. What is very surprising is the stuff I don't put on the site/web. Most of the time it is left up to my discretion what not to put and what not to (on few occasions I've been told not to share the info that has been given me).

Edited by nelson@michaelbay.com, 11 October 2007 - 02:12 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:31 PM

I'd still like to have a definite answer on the Devastator/Brawl issue... Bay supposedly addressed that at the Australian press conference, but the only reference to that I was able to find was a first-hand report from an Australian fan who claims he was the guy who ASKED the question at the press conference.

Especially considering Bay openly stated that "Devastator" would not be the final name.

Edited by Nevermore, 11 October 2007 - 02:32 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE(nelson@michaelbay.com @ Oct 11 2007, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, the source of the information that I get is different than Don's.

I have direct access to Bay (I don't even have to go through his executive assistant...who is wonderful BTW). Michael is in charge of all creative decisions and is on this project day to day. For instance, I found out Don was not aware of what was going to happen this past weekend in regards to the leaked treatment. I did, and vaguely warned those who visit SFTE. (BTW, if someone here thinks I'm dissing Don, I'm not. I've met him and he was extremely nice & welcoming when I arrived at his office. He is a wonderful person and I maintain a good relationship with him. He is a very passionate man who loves his work...which is more than I could say for some people in the biz).

In regards to being provided with the whole truth, you'd be surprised. I have never had Bay say to me "I can't tell you" or had a question answered half-ass, because I know how to ask the right questions. I've always had my questions answered honestly by Bay. What is very surprising is the stuff I don't put on the site/web. Most of the time it is left up to my discretion what not to put and what not to (on few occasions I've been told not to share the info that has been given me).



Now that, I believe icon-arcee.gif

Except for the part about Don Murphy...I personally think it would take a lot for Quentin Tarantino to punch a guy, even say whilst possibly drunk or raging on cocaine. So I've always thought there was something more to Don Murphy than meets the eye. Sadly, whatever that is, it isn't the ability to transform into a car or a giant robot. More's the pity.



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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Oct 11 2007, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd still like to have a definite answer on the Devastator/Brawl issue... Bay supposedly addressed that at the Australian press conference, but the only reference to that I was able to find was a first-hand report from an Australian fan who claims he was the guy who ASKED the question at the press conference.

Especially considering Bay openly stated that "Devastator" would not be the final name.


It was a mistake due to the use of aliases for a long period of time. He contacted Hasbro but at that point it was all but to late.

Right before the film premeire in Sydney or South Korea, He said that he had just locked the film X hours ago and that there was one mistake on the print.



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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:46 PM

It's neat how the Hotrod in the treatment turns into the car in Nelson's signature.

Or how some of the comments about Decepticon characterization (by the FX people). Seeing how Transformers 2 seems to be a majorly decepticon oriented story in those 12 pages.

And other little things throughout the months.

I really wouldn't be surprised if this was 100 percent real and just the EARLY EARLY ideas. The John rogers script had the main story dead on but some small scenes were added and most of the dialogue changed. That was denied to high hell and wound up being surprisingly accurate.
I mean, this may be the story, but 1/4 of it could change during the main draft of the script that comes after the treatment.

Nobody wants you to see the early/more "flawed" version of their work. They want to show the final product. So things like this are "real but unused" and when it "surprisingly" is similar to the movie, the answer will be something like we used "aspects of it" or "because it went over so well."

It's just movie-business stuff. Remember Raimi saying he wouldn't use Venom as a villain (around the time SM3 was in the concept stages).
Accurate huh?


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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE(nelson@michaelbay.com @ Oct 11 2007, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was a mistake due to the use of aliases for a long period of time. He contacted Hasbro but at that point it was all but to late.


Well, that must be one hell of a mistake considering Orci and Kurtzman reportedly pointed it out in the editing room TWICE...

And apparently the "Devastator" "error" is still on the DVD. You'd think they had more than enough time to fix it?

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:59 PM

In the end, I just hope the treatment is used. It's damn near perfect.
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Posted 11 October 2007 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Oct 11 2007, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(nelson@michaelbay.com @ Oct 11 2007, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was a mistake due to the use of aliases for a long period of time. He contacted Hasbro but at that point it was all but to late.


Well, that must be one hell of a mistake considering Orci and Kurtzman reportedly pointed it out in the editing room TWICE...

And apparently the "Devastator" "error" is still on the DVD. You'd think they had more than enough time to fix it?


That's assuming they care to fix it and take the time to do so.

If this was really not a mistake, then Hasbro would've had the same name in the packaging.

Edited by nelson@michaelbay.com, 11 October 2007 - 03:02 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 03:08 PM

The problem is that this guy, who posted a first hand report from the Australian press conference (which was apparently also the first confirmation of the "Devastator" subtitling "error") essentially quotes Bay confirming that as far as he's concerned, the name "Devastator" is the real one and everything else is wrong regardless of what the toy's packaging says. And quite frankly, considering this was the first report we got from the Australian press conference (I think it was also the first time the full list of voice actors was confirmed, which initially some people were doubting TOO), I don't really see griffin lying.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 03:15 PM

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It's neat how the Hotrod in the treatment turns into the car in Nelson's signature.


No he doesn't. Hot Rod scans an F430 in the treatment. Nelson's signature is of a 599 GTB. Two COMPLETELY different animals.

You're right that they're both Ferraris, so I guess your post wasn't entirely wrong.


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Posted 11 October 2007 - 03:20 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Oct 11 2007, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem is that this guy, who posted a first hand report from the Australian press conference (which was apparently also the first confirmation of the "Devastator" subtitling "error") essentially quotes Bay confirming that as far as he's concerned, the name "Devastator" is the real one and everything else is wrong regardless of what the toy's packaging says. And quite frankly, considering this was the first report we got from the Australian press conference (I think it was also the first time the full list of voice actors was confirmed, which initially some people were doubting TOO), I don't really see griffin lying.


No one is saying Griffin is lying.

At that point it's Devastator period. Nothing can be done to change the subtitle in the movie. It is what it is. He made a mistake and he has to deal with it.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 03:43 PM

Well, thanks for being honest about it and not dodging the topic or reverting to personal attacks or anything. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 04:12 PM

QUOTE(nelson@michaelbay.com @ Oct 11 2007, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nevermore @ Oct 11 2007, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(nelson@michaelbay.com @ Oct 11 2007, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was a mistake due to the use of aliases for a long period of time. He contacted Hasbro but at that point it was all but to late.


Well, that must be one hell of a mistake considering Orci and Kurtzman reportedly pointed it out in the editing room TWICE...

And apparently the "Devastator" "error" is still on the DVD. You'd think they had more than enough time to fix it?


That's assuming they care to fix it and take the time to do so.

If this was really not a mistake, then Hasbro would've had the same name in the packaging.


Hasbro can't use the name "Devastator" alone these days, they have to rename him "Constructicon Devastator" - which movie Devastator is obviously not.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 04:16 PM

They could probably register "Decepticon Devastator," like they did with Autobot Jazz and Autobot Ratchet. I'm sure Hasbro didn't go with Brawl solely because of trademark concerns.

Either way, it happened, it's there, there's no point arguing about it now, let's move on. Hey, how about that sequel treatment? Crazy stuff, huh? I mean, the Luxor's the crappiest casino on the strip!

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 06:04 PM

The only two things I would baulk at would be calling Soundwave a high priest, I don't know why but the only time I really want to hear about a high priest rezzing somebody is in warcraft icon-depth.gif and then something about the matrix part just seemed so weird... Otherwise a movie from this script would kick all sorts of butt.

Just my two cents ^-^

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Oct 11 2007, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, thanks for being honest about it and not dodging the topic or reverting to personal attacks or anything. icon-hotrod.gif


Likewise.

Actually, this is one of the most--if not the most polite forum--I've encountered.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 08:55 PM

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